BBC Verify has confirmed women and young children were killed when a strike hit their vehicles as they headed away from northern Gaza

Analysis of images from the scene show some of those who died were aged between two and five

Israel has warned 1.1m Palestinians living in north Gaza to evacuate south, and thousands have been fleeing by vehicle or on foot

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    Will there be proportional outcries for the loss of these civilians by the Israeli apologists?

    Of course not.

    I’m also sure this will totally not make more terrorists out of the surviving family members…

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        Upvoted, thanks for keeping me grounded. That’s compelling. As much blame as I give Israel in all this I don’t see that being an air strike after watching countless videos from Ukraine. I think Israel does have low-yield bombs, considering their “roof knockers,” and this could be secondary (eg, someone hauling gas/propane.)

        Nevertheless I agree Hamas has more to gain in framing Israel here.

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          Yea, looking at the video again, I think you may be right. It looks too “Hollywood” with the giant fireball. Maybe just a propane tank exploded igniting the contents of the gas tank. Hamas may not have done anything, heard there was an explosion and blamed Israel when the fault could just be poorly maintained equipment.

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            So all three of you are more knowledgable about missiles and what they look like in video vs the BBC, who has decades of experience in verifying missile strikes?

            Sorry … I’m with the BBC here.

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              Link to exactly where the BBC calls it an Israeli air strike.

              All I’m seeing is “women and children dead in strike” so if you’re seeing it, they walked it back.

              At least 12 people, including young children, have been killed after a convoy of vehicles heading toward southern Gaza was hit. The Palestinian Health Ministry has blamed Israel for the attack. The Israel Defense Force (IDF) says it is investigating.

              BBC News statement.

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                the Palestinian Health Ministry is a wing of the hamas organization. of course they’re going to say that.

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                I’ll answer your question as soon as you verify your expertise in questioning the BBC calling it a missile strike vs you saying it was a car bomb.

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                  No. You made the claim BBC called it a missile strike. I provided a source (with video) calling it a Vehicle Based Improvised Explosive Device. I don’t need to be the expertise, the OSINT community provided my argument. Provide yours.

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                  Found the Hamas apologist. God damn terrorists and their shitty pr campaigns.

                  Hamas is killing Gazans whether by force or by the lies they tell them.

                  This stops when Hamas has been eliminated. The Palestinian people will be free when Hamas is eliminated.

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    Look at this

    Video released by the Palestinian health ministry shows ambulance crews arriving at the scene of the airstrike.

    One ambulance crew came under fire as they were tending to a young girl and a woman inside the ambulance.

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/70-palestinians-in-convoy-fleeing-northern-gaza-killed-by-airstrike-israel-denies-involvement

    CLASSIC ISRAEL. Kill civilians. Shoot at ambulances trying to help civilians, then claim that the Palestinians did it to themselves.

    So again we have confirmed video evidence that the ambulance responding to this got hit directly… And I still see people here want to shroud it in mystery and skepticism.

    I get it. I’m a skeptic. I understand that it is important to confirm from the Israeli side. However, Israel lies in the media nonstop and then simply gets away with it. It’s Israel’s claims that need to be confirmed, not the Gazan health ministry. Israel simply brushes it aside and says, “pfff no idea could be Hamas booby traps.”

    No, Israel, fuck you, explain these dead people now. Fucking explain this.

    And why was that ambulance hit? Why have we seen so many videos and images of hit ambulances and news of dead medical staff and Israel won’t even give the slightest fuck to inconvenience itself and explain its crimes?

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      This is why they are so keen to target electricity and journalists. It ensures that the news is dominated by one side of the story.

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    When will world leaders, or “serious” media outlets like the NYT or BBC call this “terrorism”?

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    Reminder Hamas lied to Gazans and told them the warnings from Israel were fake.

    Hamas NEEDS human shields for the pr.

    This is the pr. The blood of those people are on Hamas’ hands. They don’t care about civilian life.

    Israel is not going to stop until Hamas has been eliminated. Hamas is going to kill as many civilians as they possibly can to delay that from happening.

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      Israel bombed the exit while people were trying to leave and they bombed a civilian convoy while people were trying to leave. They also bombed ambulances that were helping people who got bombed while trying to leave. If Hamas’s claim was that Israel would bomb people trying to leave, then that turned out to be the truth and the warnings from Israel really were fake.

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        The ambulance they bombed was stolen from the kibbutz in Israel. That’s more Hamas propaganda.

        Can you link me to a verified source on the bombing of the convoy? Haven’t seen anything other than Al Jazeera which obviously isn’t reliable in this situation.