• 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    After law school, candidates will spend 675 hours working under the supervision of an experienced attorney

    Just as we’re relearning that apprenticeships are a possible alternative to college, the law comes along and says “¿Por que no los dos?”

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      Lol, that’s cute, say doctors everywhere. With the 8 years of post secondary education and 3-8 years plus of 80 hours a week apprenticeship after that. They figured out doing both long ago. And grad students well on their way too with post doc positions.

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        Yeah, I realized that after I posted. Architects also have a post-degree apprenticeship period before they can go through licensure (or can even call themselves architects).

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          Engineers too. A 4-5 year degree, then an exam to get engineer in training status, then a few years apprenticeship, then another exam to get a license that allows them to sign off on projects. Although, a friend of mine never bothered taking the last exam, he just has to work under another engineer.

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        Don’t we have proof that you can’t learn while sleep deprived? And that doctors spend years learning on 4 hours of sleep?

        Sounds like they spend the same amount of time learning.

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    After law school, candidates will spend 675 hours working under the supervision of an experienced attorney and create a portfolio of legal work that bar officials will grade as an alternative to the traditional bar exam.

    So, still basically a test, but now more like 4 months of underpaid/free labor.

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      A practicum is required for some professions, like professional engineering. The standard for engineering is four years with a bachelor’s degree and passing two tests. You can read engineering in a couple of states without going to college, but it takes 15 years experience and you still need to pass one of the tests.

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        If you’re referring to the FE and PE tests as being required. They are required to be able to get the extra cert, but not to be am engineer. Most engineers are not PEs, and you don’t have to pass the FE exam to be an engineer.

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          I specified Professional Engineer, which is different from engineers that work on products covered by the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

          I get that you can have engineers in fields that don’t need licensure.

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      That’s a weird attitude to take. Do you specifically hate poor people?

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      If we want a reasonable effort from them, we might want to not overwork them so hard. Maybe just, y’know, hire more.

      Frankly though, if we’re going to make them basically do paid residencies now, why don’t we make them work as public defenders? Would solve our problem, and they’re young, fresh grads, so you don’t have to pay them as much yet anyway.