Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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    You said the kids will be homeless.

    I responded saying that there should be programs for that.

    I used your scenario, and responded to it. That’s how conversations work.

    made the decision in your head that you would rather them be homeless

    You’re trolling or literally haven’t read a word I typed. If you didn’t understand that I literally wrote that there should be social programs to help homeless youth, you seriously need some reading help.

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      The scenario I made is that there are kids who could be made homeless via this law.

      I was heavily implying that it is a dangerous downstream ramification of that law, and is a reason to not have a law like that which forces universal non-discretion.

      Rather than say something like “oh right, you might be onto something there, maybe we shouldn’t enact laws that will potentially render children homeless”

      You basically said “whelp, they’re going to be homeless, we should invest in programs that help the homeless”

      You and you alone are the one who advanced that to them already being homeless.

      This is why I said you were so attached to that idea that you’d already discounted the idea of safeguarding and discretion to prevent them from being homeless, because you did, possibly without even realising it.

      It isn’t me reading too deep or not enough, it’s literally the first thing you said.

      Again, read your own words, or at the very least read mine FFS.

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        Rather than say something like “oh right, you might be onto something there, maybe we shouldn’t enact laws that will potentially render children homeless”

        I responded that we should improve programs to help the youth.

        I understand the problem you’re presenting, because I have empathy. You not understanding that it’s severely encroaching the the relationship between teachers and parents is because you don’t have empathy. I understand your side and have a different way of wanting to deal with it that avoids the problems I see with government employees having side secrets with my 8 year old.

        You and you alone are the one who advanced that to them already being homeless.

        You said kids might be homeless. I responded with a way to deal with it. Once again, that’s how conversations go.

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          You not understanding that it’s severely encroaching the the relationship between teachers and parents is because you don’t have empathy.

          Well that’s certainly an accusation.

          Are you sure about that, as you don’t seem to empathise with the idea that most children do not cope well with losing their home, and that not losing their home is the ideal solution.

          I understand your side and have a different way of wanting to deal with it that avoids the problems I see with government employees having side secrets with my 8 year old.

          It’s not about just having a “side secret”. It’s about rendering a safe space where children don’t feel afraid of being who they are, when they don’t have that option at home.

          Bare in mind that this isn’t even about direct disclosures. Every teacher would be obligated to report, so the child even acknowledging that fact anywhere in the school could be enough.

          It makes it much easier for the teachers/school to offer resources to that child when that child isn’t actively afraid of disclosing that information.

          Even in the majority of situations where the parents aren’t potentially abusive, it could even just allow the child to not be forcibly ousted until they’re ready or more certain of their mindset.

          You said kids might be homeless. I responded with a way to deal with it. Once again, that’s how conversations go.

          Key word in that was might.

          In your world you dealt with it by rendering them homeless then picking up the pieces afterwards. That’s the worst outcome, at least in my mind.

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            Well that’s certainly an accusation.

            You’ve shown it.

            most children do not cope well with losing their home,

            Once again, you have a presumption of parental evilness in every scenario. I showed in my last message how to tackle this problem without involving teachers and going outside their scope.

            It’s not about just having a “side secret”.

            It literally is. If your child became religious and had meetings every day with a pastor for a few hours and the pastor wouldn’t tell you what they talked about, are you comfortable with that?

            Key word in that was might.

            So you don’t trust organizations set up to deal with youth homelessness, you also think that should be a burden on the teachers?

            Come on man, what the hell are you even saying.