The Maldives government will ban Israelis from the Indian Ocean archipelago, known for luxury resorts, as public anger in the predominantly Muslim nation rises over the war in Gaza.
Good. We have seen with apartheid South Africa that isolation of a rogue terrorist nation is the only non military way of returning it to the community of somewhat lawful nations. No surprise that Israel was a close ally of apartheid South Africa
There were economic sanctions, there was a huge wave of divestment, but all that was pointed at the institutions of the state - not at its citizens ( like this unfortunate decision of Maledives).
Edit: how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?
“how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?”
What kind of tortured logic is this? Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.
I’m fed up with that deceitful oft repeated piece of misinformation that’s commonly used to deny that Israel is an Appartheid state:
Israel separates Nationality from Citizenship and per the Israeli constitution only Jews can have Israeli Nationality. In fact any Jew anywhere in the World is entitled to it and can quite literally travel to Israel and request to get it at the airport.
The non-Jews living in Israel you mention either have Israeli Citizenship (not Israeli Nationality, which is a different thing) or not even that because non-Jews born in the occupied Territories (which include Jerusalem and all of the West Bank of which nowadays only a tiny fraction is under Palestinian control) don’t have a natural right to even just Israeli Citizenship and have to apply to get it, and it’s often denied for quite arbitrary reasons.
This is why there are lots of stories of Palestinians being kicked out of houses in Jerusalem where their families have lived for several generations: even thought they were born there they are not Israeli Citizens (if I remember it correctly only around 40% that apply actually get Israeli Citizenship) and hence have no rights at all in Israel.
People fall for this sleazy “Israel has lots of Palestinians living there” crap because normal modern countries don’t have such a convoluted process explicitly dividing people and the rights they get by religion and don’t just deny the right to citizenship to people who have lived in what is now de facto that country’s territory for generations because of having the “wrong” religion.
Depending how the Maldives is doing this (is it based on Israeli Citizenship or is it based on Israeli Nationality?) they might very well be doing it in the fairest way possible (though it will still catch many Israeli Nationals who are anti-war, even if those are a small minority in the country judging by the polls conducted on the subject).
Please read what I wrote and then (re)read the Wikipedia article.
Pay special attention in that article to how it’s only ever “Israeli Citizens” that is used, never “Israeli Nationals”, and how the interpretation of all of it changes in light of, in Israel and unlike just about all other countries in the World, CONSTITUTIONALLY a “Citizen” is not the same thing as a “National”.
Unlike the naive interpretation from people who live in rational modern countries which are not etnostates (and were Citizenship is always the same as Nationality), that article doesn’t say anything at all about Israeli Nationals.
Depending how the Maldives is doing this (is it based on Israeli Citizenship or is it based on Israeli Nationality?)
It’s in the article - passports!
It doesn’t make any difference, since because there really aren’t any supporters of Israel in this thread, you will just open on anyone you assume is one with walls and walls of text (with which I mostly agree with you) but on a topic nobody put forward and in this condescending manner that is just meant to offend people. You haven’t tried to understand my argument at all, you haven’t even read the bloody article, you just want to scream at somebody.
So since you are this terrible at reading - let me put it again just for you and you only, I’ll try to be blunt:
The tragedy here is that Israel says in response to the 7/10 that all Gazans are guilty, they all deserve to die. That is not acceptable, that is called collective punishment. And Maledives are justifying Israels approach by doing the same. Now Israel can say:
" Look ! Maledives are also using the same principle of collective punishment / collective responsibility and the World is praising them! “They are all antisemites and they are all using “special meter” on us and different meter on everyone else:”. /s
…and what is worst - in this case they have a point! This exactly what we don’t need right now. They could have just banned the settlers, or they could have just banned those several settlers Biden has banned and that would be perfectly fine. This is clumsy at best - no - It’s just tragically stupid. It’s costing us time that Gazans don’t have.
I would like to point out that for some time I’ve felt bad for also wrongly accusing somebody without reading it all ironically also in regard to the Gaza conflict, but you are so much worse than I am.
As I asked elsewhere, can those who are Israeli Citizens but not Israeli Nationals hold an Israeli passport?
Israel’s system on this is wholly unique and I don’t really know how that translates into the right to an Israeli passport since citizenship and nationality doesn’t at all work there as it does in other countries.
Depending on that as well as on the distribution of wealth in Israel (the Maldives isn’t a poor people tourist destination) then the number of people unjustly treated by this might be bigger or smaller (there are always some: even amongst the wealthiest Israeli Nationals - who, remember, to have nationality must be Jewish - there are some who are against what’s being done in Gaza).
Good. We have seen with apartheid South Africa that isolation of a rogue terrorist nation is the only non military way of returning it to the community of somewhat lawful nations. No surprise that Israel was a close ally of apartheid South Africa
Meanwhile, you can’t become a citizen in Maldives unless you are Muslim. Hypocritical fucks
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I don’t see the hypocrisy. A country that mandates Islam is exactly the kind of country I would expect to expel Jews.
There were economic sanctions, there was a huge wave of divestment, but all that was pointed at the institutions of the state - not at its citizens ( like this unfortunate decision of Maledives).
Edit: how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?
“how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?”
What kind of tortured logic is this? Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.
Well that is pitty, because they’ve just blocked 2 millions of Palestinians living in Israel proper - Demographics of Israel, wikipedia
I’m fed up with that deceitful oft repeated piece of misinformation that’s commonly used to deny that Israel is an Appartheid state:
This is why there are lots of stories of Palestinians being kicked out of houses in Jerusalem where their families have lived for several generations: even thought they were born there they are not Israeli Citizens (if I remember it correctly only around 40% that apply actually get Israeli Citizenship) and hence have no rights at all in Israel.
People fall for this sleazy “Israel has lots of Palestinians living there” crap because normal modern countries don’t have such a convoluted process explicitly dividing people and the rights they get by religion and don’t just deny the right to citizenship to people who have lived in what is now de facto that country’s territory for generations because of having the “wrong” religion.
Depending how the Maldives is doing this (is it based on Israeli Citizenship or is it based on Israeli Nationality?) they might very well be doing it in the fairest way possible (though it will still catch many Israeli Nationals who are anti-war, even if those are a small minority in the country judging by the polls conducted on the subject).
Please read the article.
Please read what I wrote and then (re)read the Wikipedia article.
Pay special attention in that article to how it’s only ever “Israeli Citizens” that is used, never “Israeli Nationals”, and how the interpretation of all of it changes in light of, in Israel and unlike just about all other countries in the World, CONSTITUTIONALLY a “Citizen” is not the same thing as a “National”.
Unlike the naive interpretation from people who live in rational modern countries which are not etnostates (and were Citizenship is always the same as Nationality), that article doesn’t say anything at all about Israeli Nationals.
I meant
It’s in the article - passports!
It doesn’t make any difference, since because there really aren’t any supporters of Israel in this thread, you will just open on anyone you assume is one with walls and walls of text (with which I mostly agree with you) but on a topic nobody put forward and in this condescending manner that is just meant to offend people. You haven’t tried to understand my argument at all, you haven’t even read the bloody article, you just want to scream at somebody.
So since you are this terrible at reading - let me put it again just for you and you only, I’ll try to be blunt:
The tragedy here is that Israel says in response to the 7/10 that all Gazans are guilty, they all deserve to die. That is not acceptable, that is called collective punishment. And Maledives are justifying Israels approach by doing the same. Now Israel can say:
" Look ! Maledives are also using the same principle of collective punishment / collective responsibility and the World is praising them! “They are all antisemites and they are all using “special meter” on us and different meter on everyone else:”. /s
…and what is worst - in this case they have a point! This exactly what we don’t need right now. They could have just banned the settlers, or they could have just banned those several settlers Biden has banned and that would be perfectly fine. This is clumsy at best - no - It’s just tragically stupid. It’s costing us time that Gazans don’t have.
I would like to point out that for some time I’ve felt bad for also wrongly accusing somebody without reading it all ironically also in regard to the Gaza conflict, but you are so much worse than I am.
As I asked elsewhere, can those who are Israeli Citizens but not Israeli Nationals hold an Israeli passport?
Israel’s system on this is wholly unique and I don’t really know how that translates into the right to an Israeli passport since citizenship and nationality doesn’t at all work there as it does in other countries.
Depending on that as well as on the distribution of wealth in Israel (the Maldives isn’t a poor people tourist destination) then the number of people unjustly treated by this might be bigger or smaller (there are always some: even amongst the wealthiest Israeli Nationals - who, remember, to have nationality must be Jewish - there are some who are against what’s being done in Gaza).
The logic isn’t tortured.