This sort of stuff always makes me wonder…WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ALL USING YOUR OS FOR?. All I want my OS to do is hold my files, execute my programs and stay the hell out of my way. What could people possibly be doing with their OS that makes version and distro wars worth more than two seconds of your life? Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best. I dont care. It adds the numbers, it changes the letters, as long as it isnt doing anything else: who cares.
How often does that happen to you? Im almost 20 years on Linux full time and it hasnt to me once. I had a wifi driver go out after an update once and Nvida drivers twice. Ive had to roll back a kernal upgrade exactly one time. Those are the only problems and each one took like ten minutes to troubleshoot and fix.
Yeah, if you tend to use your servers for pretty vanilla uses you may not have encountered it much. Once you get into the deep end, it gets deep quick.
Same thing as people arguing about their golf clubs, pointless yes, but distracting…
Most people in the distro wars know it’s pointless and that a tool is a tool, but measuring dicks is as old as humanity and when flipping your dong out wasn’t deemed appropriate anymore, people started arguing about distros
It’s pretty memed on at this point (arch users, gentoo users, NixOS et. al) but I’d make the point - truly without being pedantic - sometimes you just want stuff the way you want them. Should everybody deal with portage on a daily basis? God no. Is it a viable option for folks to keep their build in check and know exactly what’s going on down to their flags/libs? Absolutely. Same reasons with why some folks jive with the AUR.
It’s all about finding use case, just like any piece of tech. Yes there’s dick measuring and all else that comes with that, but there’s a good amount of merit to “I like how this distro revolves around x, it makes sense to me so it’s easier for me to maintain”. If those are some of the things that get Linux on the daily driver aspect, I’m all with it.
as long as it isnt doing anything else: who cares.
That’s a big part of the distro discussion. Ubuntu for example forces snaps down your throat if you don’t pay attention, which usually leads to issues down the line.
Some people are more extreme in that regard and want their system to do absolutely nothing they haven’t explicitly configured. And there’s a distro for everyone.
All I want my OS to do is hold my files, execute my programs and stay the hell out of my way.
But distro choice matters for this. I’d like to execute my programs. Preferably up to date ones that get updates as soon as features and fixes are available not only once a year. So that immediately eliminates all versioned distros for example. Distros also have different software availability in official repos and differ in how hard it is to install something that’s not in official repos.
All popular, general purpose distros will work mostly the same, but there are differences that are worth discussing.
When I started using Linux I distro hopped a lot and ultimately settled on my distro of choice because it is the most out of my way I’ve used and all the others I’ve tried eventually annoyed me with one thing or another.
That can be nice, but if I actually care about new features in a program Im compiling the RC manually. Otherwise its just more frequent 50GB downloads for some imperceptible incremental change to CUPS and Libre Office.
but if I actually care about new features in a program Im compiling the RC manually
That’s actually one of the reasons I switched and settled on arch. Not only do you get latest upstream binary versions, but building stuff is easier without the need to hunt down all dev package versions and a lot of packages have their git versions in AUR. Pull in all latest commits, build and install with just a single command!
Otherwise its just more frequent 50GB downloads for some imperceptible incremental change to CUPS and Libre Office.
Well I have no idea what kind of Libreoffice you’ve been installing lmao. I likely spend more bandwidth looking at memes and shitposts and youtube per day than a single weekly update.
This sort of stuff always makes me wonder…WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ALL USING YOUR OS FOR?. All I want my OS to do is hold my files, execute my programs and stay the hell out of my way. What could people possibly be doing with their OS that makes version and distro wars worth more than two seconds of your life? Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best. I dont care. It adds the numbers, it changes the letters, as long as it isnt doing anything else: who cares.
Once you have lived through library dependency hell, you care
How often does that happen to you? Im almost 20 years on Linux full time and it hasnt to me once. I had a wifi driver go out after an update once and Nvida drivers twice. Ive had to roll back a kernal upgrade exactly one time. Those are the only problems and each one took like ten minutes to troubleshoot and fix.
Yeah, if you tend to use your servers for pretty vanilla uses you may not have encountered it much. Once you get into the deep end, it gets deep quick.
Same thing as people arguing about their golf clubs, pointless yes, but distracting…
Most people in the distro wars know it’s pointless and that a tool is a tool, but measuring dicks is as old as humanity and when flipping your dong out wasn’t deemed appropriate anymore, people started arguing about distros
It’s pretty memed on at this point (arch users, gentoo users, NixOS et. al) but I’d make the point - truly without being pedantic - sometimes you just want stuff the way you want them. Should everybody deal with portage on a daily basis? God no. Is it a viable option for folks to keep their build in check and know exactly what’s going on down to their flags/libs? Absolutely. Same reasons with why some folks jive with the AUR.
It’s all about finding use case, just like any piece of tech. Yes there’s dick measuring and all else that comes with that, but there’s a good amount of merit to “I like how this distro revolves around x, it makes sense to me so it’s easier for me to maintain”. If those are some of the things that get Linux on the daily driver aspect, I’m all with it.
That’s a big part of the distro discussion. Ubuntu for example forces snaps down your throat if you don’t pay attention, which usually leads to issues down the line.
Some people are more extreme in that regard and want their system to do absolutely nothing they haven’t explicitly configured. And there’s a distro for everyone.
But distro choice matters for this. I’d like to execute my programs. Preferably up to date ones that get updates as soon as features and fixes are available not only once a year. So that immediately eliminates all versioned distros for example. Distros also have different software availability in official repos and differ in how hard it is to install something that’s not in official repos.
All popular, general purpose distros will work mostly the same, but there are differences that are worth discussing.
When I started using Linux I distro hopped a lot and ultimately settled on my distro of choice because it is the most out of my way I’ve used and all the others I’ve tried eventually annoyed me with one thing or another.
That can be nice, but if I actually care about new features in a program Im compiling the RC manually. Otherwise its just more frequent 50GB downloads for some imperceptible incremental change to CUPS and Libre Office.
That’s actually one of the reasons I switched and settled on arch. Not only do you get latest upstream binary versions, but building stuff is easier without the need to hunt down all dev package versions and a lot of packages have their git versions in AUR. Pull in all latest commits, build and install with just a single command!
Well I have no idea what kind of Libreoffice you’ve been installing lmao. I likely spend more bandwidth looking at memes and shitposts and youtube per day than a single weekly update.
it’s obviously emacs
Uh… software development? Other work stuff?
And that’s why I’ve been running Ubuntu on my main machines since 2004.
I just wanted something reliable for gaming that didn’t come with a ton of bloat. I settled on EndeavourOS.
The less important something is, the more people will argue over it.
See: high school elections, car brands, toilet paper orientation