False claims suggesting that the BBC has been misreporting temperatures in southern Europe have been spreading on social media.
A clip of Neil Oliver, a GB News presenter, accusing the BBC “and others” of “driving fear” by using “supposedly terrifying temperatures”, has been viewed more than two million times.
For the past few weeks, an intense heatwave has been sweeping through parts of southern Europe and north Africa, with extensive wildfires breaking out in Greece, Italy and Algeria - leading to more than 40 deaths.
Speaking about the fires on Rhodes on GB News on Monday, Mr Oliver accused the BBC, and other broadcasters, of trying to “make people terrified of the weather”.
Deny, deny, deny. Now climate change deniers are doing that even to observable, recordable phenomena, just to avoid the truth of what is happening. This is what’s stopping progress towards saving our children’s future.
Don’t look up
It hurts me that this one turned out to be a farsighted documentation.
I remember being angry at people saying it was “too on the nose.”
There is something to be said about subtlety in story-telling. When writers tell their message with a sledgehammer, it comes off as unrealistic.
It was meant to be a spoof in that it was so on the nose was it not? I enjoyed it with that lense
Except in this case it was less a sledgehammer and more a mirror.
“I’m inadvertently in this movie and I don’t like it”
The worst was the people who insisted it wasn’t funny enough. I thought it was pretty funny, but was that really the point?
Don’t worry, next year (assuming it’s not another el ninio) they’ll accept this years temps and use it as proof that the climate change is fake since “it’s colder than last year”.
We haven’t even begun to see the impact of this year’s el nino event, yet… https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/2024-hotter-than-2023-el-nino-nasa-climate/index.html
“It’s really only just emerged, and so what we’re seeing is not really due to that El Niño,” Schmidt told reporters. “What we’re seeing is the overall warmth pretty much everywhere – particularly in the oceans. … The reason why we think that’s going to continue is because we continue to put greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Until we stop doing that, temperatures will keep on rising.”
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“We anticipate that 2024 is going to be an even warmer year because we’re going to be starting off with that El Niño event,” Schmidt said. “That will peak towards the end of this year, and how big that is is going to have a big impact on the following year’s statistics.”I thought El Nino & El Nina were cyclic & lasted several years each?
La niña
Yes
A few goal post moves later: “it’s the liberals that caused this!”
Not just observable, but directly observable by our own senses.
So we’ve actually gotten to the point where these idiots will argue whether or not it’s hot outside. I knew people could be stupid/crazy, I just didn’t realize how many of them there are.
Seen quite literally during the pandemic.
Yep, with the future in store for the earth the pandemic was basically a social test and the results weren’t promising.
I look at the bright side. Many idiots won the Darwin award during the pandemic.
The problem with these new idiots is that they won’t get to experience their idiocy because they live in a place that’s not affected yet.
Not enough won that award to make a big difference or convince those that believe dumb shit otherwise.
I know people who literally came close to being dead from COVID who still have a lot of stupid ass opinions about the pandemic. Hell, my FIL suffered permanent lung damage to the point that he can’t handle being at high elevations for very long. He struggles to breathe with any physical exertion whatsoever. Still a skeptic. Some people just kind of go all “sunk cost falacy” on their own idiocy.
The pandemic officially retired the phrase “avoid it like the plague” for at least a third of the USA population.
- Argue that it’s not hot outside
- Go outside in 120F weather
- Die
- Darwinism
That would be an actual good scenario but unfortunately won’t happen
They’re the ones that’re breeding the most right now.
When someone argues it’s not hot outside in southern Europe and then goes out in Britain, there’s no darwinism at play, I’m affraid.
There’s one in this thread right now
This came out 2 days ago:
Koonin finds that daily record high temperatures have not increased over the past 100 years and daily record lows have become less common. This is directly at variance with media headlines.
Although wildfires made headlines this summer, global areas burned by wildfires have shown a downward, rather than an upward, trend. Tornado activity in the United States has declined since 1970.
The media covers climate change as though doomsday is approaching. Bad news sells, and well-funded organizations support the crisis message.
The conservative intellectuals are dedicated to destroying the planet for money. And, with conservative politicians, they have a whole platform for it, Project 2025.
Fuck the heritage foundation
New York University professor Steven Koonin has presented data
Who is also the chief scientist for BP. Just so we’ve got that out there.
in his bestselling book, “Unsettled,” to show that the science is not as settled as many politicians would have us believe.
Which many scientist have indicated is just being contrarian to seek more books and the arguments within the book are easily debunked.
Koonin is a respected academic physicist
Yeah in physics he knows his stuff.
Koonin finds that daily record high temperatures have not increased over the past 100 years and daily record lows have become less common. This is directly at variance with media headlines.
Yes, because his dataset is from the 1990s. There’s zero reason to think any conclusion he has is in step with modern data. His modeling method even pre-date the 90s. Everything he has used to provide argument is not via a method that is modern. His data is right just that is using methods no one uses because it’s wildly inaccurate. So right in this case just means he’s consistently inaccurate. Everyone please refer to your seventh grade science class on the difference between accuracy and consistency.
The media covers climate change as though doomsday is approaching. Bad news sells, and well-funded organizations support the crisis message.
The irony of this statement while completely missing the notion that someone can just say a lot of opposite things to sell a book is… Interesting.
Even if rising “greenhouse gas” emissions were affecting the climate, actions by the United States will not be helpful in the absence of changes by China and India, the world’s biggest emitters of greenhouse gases.
Yes. Let’s not do something because China isn’t doing it. That’s fine argument. You know China isn’t doing human rights so I guess we can nix that here too.
If the United States were to get rid of all fossil fuel emissions, this would only reduce global temperatures by 0.2 degrees Celsius by 2100.
Just FYI, 0.2 is equal to 2,100 Tsar Bombas going off at once. That’s the largest nuclear device ever created by humans. Decreasing 0.2 is like not blowing that many nuclear bombs. 0.2 is super significant. This is what happens when you have some mid-sixty year old economist talking science.
The EPA’s proposed tailpipe and power plant regulations will reduce economic growth by raising energy prices.
Lady, I don’t know if you’ve had a change to exit your private jet, but fuel cost are going up, no matter what. Everyone was like “if you increase minimum wage food prices will go up!” And then we didn’t increase minimum wage and prices still went up. I’m just going say, I don’t think it really fucking matters what we do or don’t do at this point, prices are going up no matter what. I used to buy eggs for fifty-nine cents way back. What happen? I didn’t get any nice shit or saving the planet and eggs are $4, what happened?
Raising the cost of energy at any time is poor economic policy, but especially when economic growth is slow. U.S. annualized gross domestic product growth was 2% in the first quarter of 2023, with data for the second quarter expected on Thursday. It’s summer, but now is not the time for Democrats to use the excuse of climate change to slow the economy further with more regulations.
Well the cost of energy is going up anyway, so it doesn’t matter. And economic growth is slow, because for the last fifteen years its been at breakneck pace. So maybe look a bit more than just a single year for your data points. And also, y’all just hate regulation, that’s what it boils down to. But every time regulations get removed, “Oh no! The Housing Market crashed! The econmy is getting tanked!” There’s just been no demostrated self-restraint so, yeah, nah, I don’t trust you mfers. I think you all need more regulation.
Also, the econmy is going be in more pain later than now if we can’t fucking grow food. I know, none of that is your 65 year old ass’ problem, but I mean people who are 12 right now, might want to eat when they get to their 50s. I know, you’ll be dead and all, so it won’t matter to you, but it kinda of matters to them. So I mean, pardon if we all take your perspective with a nonexistent grain of salt.
Except it’s the Heritage Foundation, which is been manufacturing this bullshit for decades to lawmakers who are currently 70+ years old and wouldn’t know the difference between a telephone operator and a Google search operator if you asked them.
I know it’s not much to look forward to, but I’m going to enjoy some schadenfreude when conservatives are dying from the same shit that’s killing all of us and they can’t even process what’s happening to them.
Like they did with covid?
Exactly like that.
I have to admit that Trump nearly dying from Covid was pretty hilarious at the time.
Please link to an archived version of their page or you’re boosting them on Google
Honestly, that’s not a bad thing, imho. If old people come across their “social security/Medicare need to go!” articles, that would benefit all of us.
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This is my parents, who emigrated from Europe in 80s.
“Greece is always this hot in the summer”
“I remember 40 degree weather when I was a kid, no one was complaining then”
“Do they expect the Mediterranean not to get hot?”
I hate to see it, especially since they’re both otherwise smart people. They’re just completely taken in by climate denialism.
It’s the fear and guilt of having destroyed the planet their children and grandchildren (especially their grandchildren) will inherit. What they’re doing right now is shoving their heads right into the sand and selling themselves on whatever climate change denialism is out there right now.
hate to see it, especially since they’re both otherwise smart people.
I hate to say it… but they are not really that smart based on that. Amd I’m saying this as someone who’s mom who is “otherwise really smart”, but pretty fucking stupid.
If these people were on fire and their talking heads told them they weren’t they would say they weren’t.
well, the millions who live there and the millions upon millions with heat waves all over the world aren’t fooled. almost no one denies climate issues now, other than people paid to do so, and soon even they will be forced to stop. too busy dealing with climate fallout they themselves experience.
Maybe they’re really reptilians. The hotter, the better, they don’t sweat
Reptiles love heat, and will outlive most species in the impending climate disaster, the alligators of the American South are benefitting from climate change rn
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Mr Oliver accused the BBC, and other broadcasters, of trying to “make people terrified of the weather”.
As we should be. These changes on our planet will be the end of us.
These fucking idiots are going to get us all killed one day.
They already are, thousands during covid and people are dying already from climate change.
Idiocy is deadly
Are these trolls literally living in their parents’ basements? Like not going outside to notice it is, indeed, hot?
In the UK right now it’s actually cold for July. Overnights going as low as 7-9c in the south and day time max between 16c and 22c. So it might explain it.
So, yeah that’s not the case that they could go outside and see for themselves. Yeah it’s still a stupid conspiracy theory. But, there’s no heatwave in the UK right now.
I mean… As indicated by the news it’s a Southern Europe heat wave.
The UK are absolutely not located in the so it h.
But the deniers mentioned in the article are in the UK, hence the relevance
Its been weirdly very humid though even for the UK. Its cold if you sit still but the moment you get off your ass and do something you start sweating like a pig.
I think we need to get used to a new “life law” that has arisen as a fruit of echo chambers, too much information (regardless of its veracity) and modern recommendation algorithms: “For every important global event, there will be a small portion of deniers.”
Besides education at early ages, I don’t see a way this trend can be stopped. “Denying” will mutate across different topics (chem-trails, vaccines, the shape of the earth). I’m starting to perceive it like the flu, a seasonal disease with no permanent cure which we just take for granted. When you do your new years resolution/planning you should remember to subtract 2 weeks from your time because certainly you will be ill, it’s a constant. My head has grown accustomed to expecting this constant flux of fake-information-toxicity to appear in “obvious universal problems”
Is it new? Weren’t there moon landing deniers and JFK conspiracy people and Truthers within a year, long before the modern Internet algorithm nonsense.
What’s new is that they didn’t have a great way of banding together. The village idiots were shunned, or had small groups that wiser people just rolled their eyes at.
Now they’re bigger and more organized, to the point that the size / availability of their crazy ideas seems to lend credibility for many.
And that money is being poured in to weaponize their chaos and hate.
What’s new is that they didn’t have a great way of banding together.
1850s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
The village idiots were shunned, or had small groups that wiser people just rolled their eyes at.
I see. So when exactly was this time period where the wisest men ruled us?
Now they’re bigger and more organized, to the point that the size / availability of their crazy ideas seems to lend credibility for many.
Thousands of years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_religion
And that money is being poured in to weaponize their chaos and hate.
I live in Greece. The past couple of weeks have been really hot. Today we have a significant drop in temperatures, at last.
Mr Oliver needs to get out more.
I also live in Greece. I’m generally pretty resistant to heat, I love the summer, but last week was too much for me. I worked from home to avoid commuting like that, and I constantly felt tired and heavy.
This week seems to be going fine thankfully
I was on holiday in southern Europe. I was there at 43° Celsius. I know a person who witnessed 47 more southern. In places where these temperatures have been seen only over the past 10 years
I mean, it’s pretty simple to know the temperature, thermometers exists. Just call someone in southern Europe and ask
I’m not denying there is a heat wave in southern Europe, but where I am in Spain, it was actually hotter last year. I’m enjoy this summer and am usually able to sleep without AC and at the same time I have family outside of the country calling and asking if I am OK because of what they see on the news. There is definitely parts that have it worse than others.
I was in the same place same period of last year and this year was definitely hotter. I grew up there (although I don’t live there anymore), in south of Italy. This year was really bad
If some dumb fuck can bring a snowball into congress to show global warming isn’t real, then I should be able to bring an air conditioner and say “then what’s this for” and be taken equally as seriously.
