• crashfrog@lemm.ee
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    4 days ago

    Yes! They deliberately omit most of the food aid entering Gaza, to deliberately undercount calories per person. That’s not according to Israel; that’s according to the UN itself.

    That’s why the UN has predicted “mass famine” but it never actually happens.

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      Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

      And it very much is happening. It’s happening right now and has been happening for months now.

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        Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

        No, the food that goes in. The UN analysis deliberately excludes up to 70% of the food aid entering over the Israeli border into Gaza. All told it’s 3500 calories per Gazan per day, since Oct 7 - well shy of “famine”, entirely the opposite.

        These figures have been verified by independent observers and by the UN.

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            Except I have the receipts:

            https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704210485473414?s=46

            https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704212461052162?s=46

            https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-study-finds-food-supply-to-gaza-more-than-sufficient-for-populations-needs/

            You’ve been lied to. There is no famine in Gaza, which is why the Ministry of Health there records almost zero malnutrition deaths.

            More people died of malnutrition in Los Angeles since Oct 7 than died of it in Gaza.

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              Analyzing data from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) agency of the Defense Ministry,

              This is exactly what I said. They are counting the trucks that pass the border. And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops. And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

              Oh and the FRC take on the IPC report. But your buddy on twitter was hoping nobody would realize that was just FRC’s response to one report from FEWS. I’m not at all shocked they would present that as evidence of the whole instead of what it actually was. On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February. Which is probably why countries have been air dropping food.

              For the Northern governorates, the FRC finds the risk of Famine to be plausible based on the assumptions set by the analysis team. A high risk of Famine persists as long as conflict continues, and humanitarian access is restricted. The speed of deterioration observed in previous months, compounded by the increased vulnerability of the population after more than eight months of inadequate dietary intake, WASH and health conditions, increase the probability that Famine could occur during the projection period.

              IPC report link

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                And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops.

                That’s zero trucks. IDF troops can’t and don’t make aid trucks turn around once they’re in Gaza. They don’t get the chance - the aid warehouses are all just beyond the border crossing.

                If an aid truck is turned back, due to the unlawful presence of dual-use items in the shipment, then it is turned around at the checkpoint, not in Gaza, and isn’t included here.

                And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

                I disagree with that. The Israeli government is more credible than the Hamas government of Gaza, and in any case here’s another study proving that the UN’s conclusion of famine is based on ignoring huge amounts of aid:

                https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4851635

                On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February.

                But they have been - the IPC study was totally refuted by the UN’s own research. The FRC’s conclusions aren’t supported by even their own data.

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                  Oh really? The UN’s own research? I’m sure you’ll be willing to share?

                  Something more than an abstract accusing UNRWA of being unable to count because of Israeli actions?

                  And finally, no. You keep dodging around it but we’re talking about checkpoints inside Gaza preventing aid from being distributed.

                  God this is tiring. This shit is headline news for months, nearly a year now. With report after report telling the same story. And yet Zionists are always around to tell us how this one crumb of information disproves it all if you just look at it sideways and don’t actually read what it says.

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                    I’m sure you’ll be willing to share?

                    I am sharing it? In every post? I can’t make you read it, though.

                    You keep dodging around it but we’re talking about checkpoints inside Gaza preventing aid from being distributed.

                    But there are no IDF checkpoints preventing aid from being distributed. The IDF isn’t responsible for the distribution of aid; UNRWA is. And in any case that’s a new accusation; you had previously said they cut off the aid and now you’re saying they get the aid, they just can’t get it to anybody. But the logistical failures of the UNRWA aren’t anyone’s fault but theirs.

                    With report after report telling the same story

                    But that’s false. There isn’t “report after report” telling the same story. There’s one FRC report, with conclusions all other groups say aren’t supported by their own data, saying that famine has been “severe and imminent” even as Gazans continue to enjoy widespread access to abundant food.

                    You literally have nothing else, while I’ve produced source after source.