Veganism is a moral philosophy regarding the treatment of animals. I feel it is disingenuous to present veganism as a solution to climate change. What if we discover a way of torturing animals that tends to restore the environment? Then you’re fucked. Call it a plant-based diet, not veganism.
Ok so I have a question about one thing in your list.
If you don’t have kids then you would not have people to continue your virtue and belief on the next generation. While the people who are denying climate change have all the kids they can spit out of their body. And guess what, children are the ones who have a higher percentage of continuing their parents beliefs.
So in a few generation their side will outnumber your side.
yup. there are HEAPS of loving kids needing homes. There’s no need to add to an overpopulation already when there are so many kids needing homes already.
You make a good point but then again, the numbers game would still be tilted in favor of those who multiply the most.
Why not have 1 child and adopt another, preferably of the same age so that both children won’t be lonely and have someone to depend on as family when the parents are gone.
Climate change really has to be solved in this generation. You’re thinking too long term, we don’t have that kind of time.
Additionally, not all children of climate sociopaths become sociopaths. The planet increasingly makes a convincing argument even for those who weren’t taught to hear. That’s why the old propagandists have to ramp up their effort
Buddy thinks he can fuck his way out out of a human-induced climate crisis. You don’t suppose that maybe your biological drives are warping your reasoning, eh, buddy?
I agree that the world does not need “you” to reduce your footprint to zero. But people do have collective power. If everyone reduced their footprint a bit, that would make a dent.
Even better is if everyone realized that the big polluting beasts are fed by us. Everyone withholding just a little money from these corporations makes the graph of their profit go from pointing up to pointing down. And they sit up and take notice at that, even if they are still making billions annually. They are literally a house of cards and we are the bottom layer.
Nah, any reduction is good, including social encouragement for others to join you in things like going car-free. Plus, outside of the environmental effects, cars are horrifically unsafe things when used en masse, and every one we take off the road makes our neighbors safer.
When you subtract 1 from 1,000,000, you wouldn’t be wrong in saying there is a reduction, but is it significant enough? Or is it just febreezing a giant pile of shit?
Who says I’m doing nothing? Im just saying you don’t understand human behavior if you think that “we just need to change” is the answer. People are lazy and need incentive to do shit. So systemic implementations are always going to be more effective.
reminder: the greatest things you can do to help the environment: Go Vegan; Don’t have kids; if you can, walk/catch public transport/cycle.
I would say that stop voting a**holes is even better (and the best thing is, you can do both!)
But if I don’t vote for this climate genocidal asshole, an even worse climate genocidal asshole might win!
what if all the current vegans started eating CEO’s and politicians instead? Would that not help more?
there’d be an endless supply of food, that’s for sure.
Veganism is a moral philosophy regarding the treatment of animals. I feel it is disingenuous to present veganism as a solution to climate change. What if we discover a way of torturing animals that tends to restore the environment? Then you’re fucked. Call it a plant-based diet, not veganism.
Ok so I have a question about one thing in your list.
If you don’t have kids then you would not have people to continue your virtue and belief on the next generation. While the people who are denying climate change have all the kids they can spit out of their body. And guess what, children are the ones who have a higher percentage of continuing their parents beliefs.
So in a few generation their side will outnumber your side.
You can still do that by adopting kids someone else made. No sense adding to the population when some kids already don’t have parents.
yup. there are HEAPS of loving kids needing homes. There’s no need to add to an overpopulation already when there are so many kids needing homes already.
What overpopulation are you talking about?
You make a good point but then again, the numbers game would still be tilted in favor of those who multiply the most.
Why not have 1 child and adopt another, preferably of the same age so that both children won’t be lonely and have someone to depend on as family when the parents are gone.
there’s nothing that says you can only adopt one kid :)
Climate change really has to be solved in this generation. You’re thinking too long term, we don’t have that kind of time.
Additionally, not all children of climate sociopaths become sociopaths. The planet increasingly makes a convincing argument even for those who weren’t taught to hear. That’s why the old propagandists have to ramp up their effort
Buddy thinks he can fuck his way out out of a human-induced climate crisis. You don’t suppose that maybe your biological drives are warping your reasoning, eh, buddy?
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Thank you for doing this, but unless we have systemic change, this is just feel-good shit.
I agree that the world does not need “you” to reduce your footprint to zero. But people do have collective power. If everyone reduced their footprint a bit, that would make a dent.
Even better is if everyone realized that the big polluting beasts are fed by us. Everyone withholding just a little money from these corporations makes the graph of their profit go from pointing up to pointing down. And they sit up and take notice at that, even if they are still making billions annually. They are literally a house of cards and we are the bottom layer.
Nah, any reduction is good, including social encouragement for others to join you in things like going car-free. Plus, outside of the environmental effects, cars are horrifically unsafe things when used en masse, and every one we take off the road makes our neighbors safer.
When you subtract 1 from 1,000,000, you wouldn’t be wrong in saying there is a reduction, but is it significant enough? Or is it just febreezing a giant pile of shit?
“I don’t want to change, everyone else should change”.
Yep that’s not what I’m saying but alright.
Systemic change is going to force the same lifestyle changes anyway.
Right? It’s like people want to be forced at gunpoint to do the things they know they SHOULD be doing now. What the fuck??
Who says I’m doing nothing? Im just saying you don’t understand human behavior if you think that “we just need to change” is the answer. People are lazy and need incentive to do shit. So systemic implementations are always going to be more effective.
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I maybe wouldn’t go that far, I would rather have a kid and teach them how to make this fucked world better.
I’m single anyway, tho, so little do I know.
Go truly vegan: go fuck yourself and eat shit.
Go truly vegan: go fuck yourself and eat shit.