He becomes the latest shock rocker to share his distaste for gender-affirming care after Dee Snider and Paul Stanley shared similar views.
That’s nice grandpa let’s get you back to bed
Downvoted because this isn’t news, it’s culture war bait.
Who gives a fuck what Alice Cooper thinks?
I don’t care what he thinks, but now that he put it out there, I can’t disassociate.
That’s actually a good point. Thank you. We don’t need this rage bait shit.
I feel like trans people and their allies should know who their enemies are and what they’re saying and doing, if only for their own safety.
It is infuriating, and its not the reasoned and insightful conversations about our personally held systems of normative values and the experience and empirical evidence that informs them that I wish we were having instead of these conversations, but I just think it’s irresponsible to turn a blind eye to it because ignoring it won’t make it go away and could let it fester and spread.
I can’t imagine many trans people looking up to a washed up 80s rocker has been, but I guess aside from that I see your point.
I see your point, but Alice Cooper is a washed up old hack. He’s not swinging any votes to DeSantis or anything like that.
For the sake of your mental health it’s important to focus on what matters and ignore that which doesn’t. In my opinion Alice Cooper does not matter and getting outraged by his opinion only distracts you from what’s really important.
Thank you. Also downvoted this shit.
The guy who dresses up and wears makeup…
Was going to comment… for the dude that looks like a crazy cat lady in her 90s that had way too much to drink last night and woke up in a ditch he’s got some weird opinion on this.
so many bigots outing themselves.
This stance seems so off-brand for Dee and Alice. But they are pretty up there in age. I might not want to know my dad’s inner thoughts on this, either, I suppose. Still, for glam rockers raging against oppressive authority, it seems like they would have a more progressive take on this.
Pretty sure Dee said the exact fucking opposite of this, tooDee’s a TERF. Sad.
Aw, that’s really disappointing. I always knew Alice Cooper was a Republican but never really dug into Dee Snider, just assuming he was cool from his time telling the PMRC to go fuck themselves. I guess not.
Dee likes to defy categorization, but claims to be both libertarian and centrist. And he has been friends with Donald Trump for a long time, so his early support for Trump’s candidacy pissed off a lot of long-time fans. I think, but I could be wrong, that Snyder walked back his political support for Trump.
A long time ago Trump was a liberal democrat. It’s why he has an unusual set of friends on both sides.
The Clinton’s were good friends with Trump.
Early on I could see many democrats supporting him because of his democrat history. Previously trump was very pro-lgbtq rights and supported a single payer system.
Trump is and always has been a textbook narcissist. He doesn’t have any specific values beyond his own benefit. He supported the Clintons and democrats in New York because doing so was good for him and his business.
He’s a narcissist in layman’s terms. I’ve never liked the man. It’s not even politics as much as you feel dirty when you meet him. I’ll never understand the cult of Trump.
I’m pretty sure that whole generation is getting early onset dementia they all went crazy together at about the same time
still, for glam rockers raging against oppressive authority
Did he say he was for the government stopping trans people from making their own choices?
Your last sentiment is one I’d agree with. You’d think that any rocker from back in the day that was all about being anti authority would tell people to go out there and do what the fuck they want. Hearing an opinion like this feels off brand lol
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Good thing that that’s not happening. Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats, nor forcing any kid to make life-changing decisions.
(Excluding conservatives and regressives, anyway. And if there are any progressives doing it, they’re in the wrong.)
Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats
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Yeah, but it’s part of the fantasy world they inhabit, and they make voting decisions based on their fantasy world. The fantasy world where liberals cast millions of votes on behalf of dead people (which everyone knows, but no one has ever talked about), can’t spend a week in NYC without getting mugged or gang raped, walk down a sidewalk in San Francisco without stepping in human feces, and where woke parents force their 8-year-olds to have gender surgery.
I wonder how many of these “nice but transphobic” people would revise themselves if they knew that even puberty blockers aren’t OTC, but require extensive therapy and professional counseling. I mean, it’s not a situation many people have direct experience with, so it’s easy to fall for fake stories. Of course, I also wonder how many of them don’t consider psychologists “real doctors” or psychology itself legitimate science.
Isn’t that exactly what society has been doing for since like ever?
Still today gender roles are forced onto people.
“saying that he was “afraid that it’s also a fad”… the star said that he felt children were not mature enough to make major decisions about their gender identity"
You and Cooper both are setting fire to some pretty large strawmen. Standard transphobic tactic.
It’s a take that is based on lies and propaganda.
This is an example of a strawman argument. He’s setting up this very specific idea of what is happening, and taking issue with it, when the vast majority of real world interactions are substantially more nuanced and specific to the kid and their family than the fake scenario put forth.
Get your bullshit concern trolling out of here.
“Morons,” “idiots.” Thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation.
Noooo, you can’t be mad, you need to read what he’s saying!
[The same old tired ass debunked a million times transphobic bullshit]
A take that hardly anyone would disagree with.
Yeah, disagreed.
75 y-o shouts at sky.
I haven’t heard Alice Cooper since I stopped listening to the Wayne’s World soundtrack in the 90s. I guess I can continue to not hear him with impunity.
Ok, I’m at the point where I really have to say ‘so what?’ about shit that aging, boomer rock stars of the cocaine fueled past say. Like really who gives a fuck what Alice Cooper thinks? He’s always been a Gene Simmons level asshole main character personality type. He has only ever gotten attention by pissing someone off. This is easy. Let these people drift off into irrelevance. Stop allowing them to matter.
The problem is that no matter how much those of us who know he’s full of shit ignore him, he still has a massive platform and enough people who agree and will lap this shit up, and then do anything from bullying their trans co workers to going on a shooting spree, not to mention legislation that gets supported by these types and the harm it does (E: also, we don’t know that he doesn’t agree with what he’s saying, but even if he claims not to, he’s still throwing trans people under the bus which is an act of transphobia).
I agree that he’s ragebaiting for attention but that doesn’t change the impact of his words.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” I’ve known trans people for 30 years. And I knew they existed before that. How the hell did it suddenly go from “Man wear skirt ha ha ha funny” at worst (not that that was good, just that it wasn’t what we have now) to “Fad! Groomers! They should die!”
We seem to be lurching as a society to a direction I don’t think I can live in.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
Because noone cares about homosexuality anymore(it has been mostly normalized), so they need a new target to scream about.
They’re literally on record saying they needed something big to rally behind after killing Roe because they were going to get murdered on abortion and needed a distraction. They whipped this up right quick alongside busting out “groomer” as their top slur right as Matty Fivehead was getting taken to court for diddling a sex-trafficked 17 year old. Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
theyve been on this bullcrap since at least 2016 with all the bathroom crap. we shouldnt be demonizing people over this yet here we are where a massive chunk of the population does just that. when i was a kid it was “what if gae in lockerroom?” bullcrap. im sure at this point in my life ive been in a locker room with a gay person and theyve never been a problem. and if they are its that person who is the issue not the entire lgbtq+ community.
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It’s this. Attacking gay people is no longer acceptable to enough people that conservatives can get away with it as a culture war tact. They’ve moved onto trans people which is more successful because there’s a lot fewer trans people. We’re seeing a LOT of bullshit getting flipped around and making people mad about things they didn’t use to care about. The drag-hate is a good example. Tons of examples from history where drag is supported and now it’s a major battleground? Bullshit. Just another way to find a convenient target for the right to hate.
Fascists need enemies and the enemy needs to be both small in number and visibly identifiable.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
The Tea Party (remember them?) & MAGA have taught the leaders of the conservative movement that they need to constant feed the crazy (that they created) or they’ll get dumped for anyone who is better at whipping up fear, hate, and anger.
if they don’t want to join Jesus in being called weak and liberal, then they need to constantly demonize some vulnerable minority. POCs, lesbians, and gays are not that vulnerable any more, so whose next? Transgender people! hence the "trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” "
Terfs (particularly lesbian terfs) are the worst examples, they’re bigots desperately trying to get the conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval, but without wanting to out themselves as desperatetly wanting conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval. Bigoted chucklefucks.
To approach this from a different angle, I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There’s always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them. It’s the kind of thing that might still play in certain areas, and with certain types or demographic, but the mainstream isn’t really down with it. Open pro-trans movements and statements are pretty new compared to these other things, so it’s just the latest in the succession of what-can-I-hate-up that authoritarian types latched onto. I have a feeling we’re lurching – and pretty quickly – toward trans becoming more mainstream
Thank you sincerely for this refreshingly positive take. I needed to read it.
I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There’s always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them.
And yet here we are and they do. Do you remember how the term “Groomer” appeared? It was the DeSantis administration justifying the “Don’t say Gay” bill. That was a bill that, sure, mentioned gender dysphoria in passing, but it was primarily aimed at gay people.
I don’t see any evidence at all the Republicans have become less racist or less homophobic. Racism seems no better, maybe worse, than it was in 2008, and as the mainstream Republican establishment has declined, the party seems to have given in to the homophobic grassroots.
None of which really explains though why they’ve gone from merely laughing at transpeople to turning them into villains, while continuing to demonize the groups they’ve always done. Perhaps, far from transpeople being the only ones left, they’ve realized they can get away with scapegoating more groups than they previously have done.
Oh shit, an old, irrelevant douchebag said it, so I guess it must be true. Someone put this man in a home, please.
I guess a no-substance shock rocker dude who wears makeup and calls himself Alice would have a take on this subject. Really shitty take though.
Incredibly sad to see Alice Cooper using rote, boring anti-trans talking points, especially the old canard of ‘any man can walk into a woman’s restroom by saying he feels like a woman today,’ which is something I’ve seen online more times than I can count and even heard in person from a few folks almost word-for-word. Don’t be a parrot, Vincent.
Rich, white, out-of-touch boomer. You used to be relevant, now you’re just the status quo…
Something so many of these folks need to learn is that shutting up is free.
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Looks like somebody chewed on a bat that was past its sell-by date
