Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel? #Gaza #ElectionImpact
She said she would change nothing and continue to fully support Israel the same as Biden, she had multiple opportunities to clarify and doubled down.
I can’t see your question as a good faith one.
Hundreds of folks in lemmy alone continuously argued during the election campaign that Harris wouldn’t support the genocide as much as Trump would, which in itself shows they already believed Harris was supporting a genocide.
What I heard her say at the DNC was; “We need Israel, we’re in a huge bind with that, but we’re absolutely not ok with what is happening in Palestine and we’re working to stop it”.
A claim was made. I asked for evidence supporting that claim. I don’t see how the question is in bad faith.
None of that is evidence of her supporting genocide. “You’re wrong and everyone thinks so” is kindergarten level “evidence”.
People need to recognize that this “war” (aka genocide of unarmed civilians) is happening between two different countries. As much as the US gov likes to think so, it is not the world’s daddy. It doesn’t have the power to come into any situation across the globe and immediately put a stop to it. Does the US hold a massive amount of political influence? Yes. But they still have to USE that influence to get things done, and weigh the impact using that influence could have on their military readiness for the region (which is important to maintain, now that it’s there, unfortunately). They could absolutely stop funding Israel’s military stock. Do you think that would immediately stop the genocide? I think it could cost the US an ally, which would remove ANY influence they have over them. This is a snippet of geo-politics that should highlight the necessity to handle complex problems with thoughtful, measured diplomacy. Personally, I don’t want a world in which the US can “lay down the law” wherever, however, and whenever they want. Even when it’s for the right reasons. Imperialism got the US into this mess. I’m not convinced more imperialism will solve it.
If geo-politics weren’t what they currently are, I would love for the US to end it’s relationship with Israel and immediately deploy troops to stop them. If domestic politics weren’t what they currently are, I would love to not vote for people I don’t agree with, on most issues, because I don’t get candidates that are progressive enough for me (or the many problems in the US ). But, as a gay man, I have to recognize the reality of my situation, and the domestic threats to my family, that are on the horizon, because people like you threw us (and all minorities/ immigrants) under the bus to make some point about your idealogies. Petulant children, the lot of you.
I guess you’re going to pretend like Biden didn’t directly fund the Israeli genocide against Palestinians.
🤷♂️
And as for you having the sads about who I voted for? I don’t give a fuck who you think I should or shouldn’t vote for. That’s the whole point of voting. I make my own choices. And my state electoral college votes all went to Harris. You’re talking out of your ass and blaming voters when the person who deserves 100% of the blame is Harris and the DNC…
Right. Biden personally created funding for Israel. That totally hasn’t been happening since 1999…
I don’t have “the sads”. I’m saying you and people that think like you are morons that don’t understand the politics. The US has funded, or directly committed, genocide for my entire life (and much longer than that). Propaganda convinced you people that we really need to put our foot down this time by making sure the guy that has explicitly said he’s happy with what’s going on in Gaza makes it back into office. Congratulations. You made yourself a useful idiot for the ruling class.
She said she would change nothing and continue to fully support Israel the same as Biden, she had multiple opportunities to clarify and doubled down.
I can’t see your question as a good faith one.
Hundreds of folks in lemmy alone continuously argued during the election campaign that Harris wouldn’t support the genocide as much as Trump would, which in itself shows they already believed Harris was supporting a genocide.
What I heard her say at the DNC was; “We need Israel, we’re in a huge bind with that, but we’re absolutely not ok with what is happening in Palestine and we’re working to stop it”.
A claim was made. I asked for evidence supporting that claim. I don’t see how the question is in bad faith.
None of that is evidence of her supporting genocide. “You’re wrong and everyone thinks so” is kindergarten level “evidence”.
People need to recognize that this “war” (aka genocide of unarmed civilians) is happening between two different countries. As much as the US gov likes to think so, it is not the world’s daddy. It doesn’t have the power to come into any situation across the globe and immediately put a stop to it. Does the US hold a massive amount of political influence? Yes. But they still have to USE that influence to get things done, and weigh the impact using that influence could have on their military readiness for the region (which is important to maintain, now that it’s there, unfortunately). They could absolutely stop funding Israel’s military stock. Do you think that would immediately stop the genocide? I think it could cost the US an ally, which would remove ANY influence they have over them. This is a snippet of geo-politics that should highlight the necessity to handle complex problems with thoughtful, measured diplomacy. Personally, I don’t want a world in which the US can “lay down the law” wherever, however, and whenever they want. Even when it’s for the right reasons. Imperialism got the US into this mess. I’m not convinced more imperialism will solve it.
If geo-politics weren’t what they currently are, I would love for the US to end it’s relationship with Israel and immediately deploy troops to stop them. If domestic politics weren’t what they currently are, I would love to not vote for people I don’t agree with, on most issues, because I don’t get candidates that are progressive enough for me (or the many problems in the US ). But, as a gay man, I have to recognize the reality of my situation, and the domestic threats to my family, that are on the horizon, because people like you threw us (and all minorities/ immigrants) under the bus to make some point about your idealogies. Petulant children, the lot of you.
I guess you’re going to pretend like Biden didn’t directly fund the Israeli genocide against Palestinians.
🤷♂️
And as for you having the sads about who I voted for? I don’t give a fuck who you think I should or shouldn’t vote for. That’s the whole point of voting. I make my own choices. And my state electoral college votes all went to Harris. You’re talking out of your ass and blaming voters when the person who deserves 100% of the blame is Harris and the DNC…
Right. Biden personally created funding for Israel. That totally hasn’t been happening since 1999…
I don’t have “the sads”. I’m saying you and people that think like you are morons that don’t understand the politics. The US has funded, or directly committed, genocide for my entire life (and much longer than that). Propaganda convinced you people that we really need to put our foot down this time by making sure the guy that has explicitly said he’s happy with what’s going on in Gaza makes it back into office. Congratulations. You made yourself a useful idiot for the ruling class.