A draft law banning speech and dressing “detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people” has sparked debate in China.

If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.

China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.

The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.

The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that “undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation” could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).

  • Iteria@sh.itjust.works
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    Honestly, I feel the same about both: it’s absurd. With France I get the “freedom from religion” spiel from some Frenchman, but it’s veiled xenophobia to me. When you ban a kind of clothing but only for one group of people, that’s basically the definition. Here, it’s just fascism. At least the Chinese people are speaking out.

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      France doesn’t ban religious anything, only in public schools, that’s all. Outside education people are free to do what they want. What China is doing is wildly different, China just bans things in general for all sectors of life

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        Public school? You mean that place that children are mandated to be? Also you forgot government. It was a whole thing. So if you’re a Muslim and you want to be a part of the French government, then I hope you don’t have any attachment to those head scarves. There are other religions ornamentation, but the head scarves one was the last one I saw. And whether school or a DMV clerk, it’s dumb.

        Also noticed I used two different labels for France rather than China. I think China is fascist with what they’re doing. France is xenophobic with what they’re doing.

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          France is the least Xenophobic country on Earth, what are you even saying?

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      The French didn’t ban for only one group of people, all religions are affected.

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        It targeted one group of people though.

        Either way banning clothes is stupid.

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          Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

          Either way banning clothes is stupid.

          They have pretty sound logic for doing it

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            Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.

            Any recent examples?

            They have pretty sound logic for doing it

            What’s the logic?

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          I’ve been to France many times and religion isn’t banned at all, France is an incredibly diverse country, probably the most in all of Europe

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              Yes you are, that’s what you people are all implying and it’s completely false

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                can you explain who “you people” are? are they in the room with us right now?

                can you also give the specific quote where “you people” said france bans all religion? you didnt just, y’know, imagine it did you?

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                  “are they in the room with us right now?”

                  I’m conversing with you in this thread, unless you don’t exist? Is that what you’re saying? lol

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        Yeah this is equality vs equity. If your religion has no religious outfits it doesn’t impact you if your religion does it does impact you. You can’t make a rule that only impacts one minority group and claim that it is fair because it hurts everyone the same way, since it clearly doesn’t.