Fucking hell, what a backwards country. How hard is it to just let people wear/not wear what they want? Fuck!
I am confused - are you still talking about Iran here, or the US? Because I seem to recall a bunch of recent legislation in the US that wants to regulate how people may dress (topic of crossdressing / discriminating against transgenders).
Same coin, other side
unfortunately :/
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The morality members want it this way. They feel moral doing this.
It would feel moral putting a bullet between the eyes of these “morality police”
Religion of peace!
Just like catholicism is the religion of adult hetero-normies.
They’re all scams
Why is it than when someone criticizes muslim, there is always a comment replying “bUt CaThOlIcISm or bUt ChRiStIaNiSm”
Yes, all religions are shit.
Because so many people like to pretend it’s only Muslims with problems
oh please. this entire place cries about christianity 100x more than they do about islam.
I was speaking more broadly than just on Lemmy.
It’s only Islamists that beat girls to death for not wearing the right headgear, or stone people to death for committing adultery, or execute people for being gay, or strap bombs to themselves and try and kill as many innocent people as possible. Yes … all religions are stupid and most are regressive and have crazy rules. But one religion is objectively far worse than all the rest put together (and I include the vile christian conservatives in that group).
In this minute of history, in certain parts of the world, in certain social circles.
Yes, yes and yes. Christianity in the middle ages was responsible for all manner of brutality. No argument there. It doesn’t change my assertion.
By the way, instead of saying “in this minute of history” you can just say “now” … it sounds less pompous.
This here. Racists be racisting.
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No, I agree. Muslims, Christians, catholics, all are idiots.
From what I can recall, when muslim do bad shit, people tend to comment that islam is shit. But when christians do bad shit, people tend to comment that religion is shit.
I don’t know. It might be some weird confirmation bias where I feel like muslims as a whole get more targeted hate when I actually want to hate you all equally.
That last paragraph is chef’s kiss.
Christianity is shit. There I said it. I will continue to say it until I am freaken dead and nothing remains because there is no god and there is no afterlife. Fuck Christianity, the religion with the highest kill count and as far as I can tell the only achievements it has given the humans race are
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The gun
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The coathanger abortion
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And the Inquisition
The world would be a better place if James the Just had gotten hit with a rock the moment he started bullshitting about his fake brother.
There. Is that enough for you? Did I make up for all the supposed silence going on?
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This is patriarchy, not religion.
If is is patriarchy, it is caused by religion.
Just a coincidence that every single religion came up with it, and China retains it despite having got rid of religion.
Yeah, that makes loads of sense. Sure you’re right. Carry on, nothing to see here.
Religion = Patriarchy
No religion =/= No Patriarchy
Don’t get confused.
Religion is a tool that comes in very handy for patriarchy. And all major religions are patriarchal because patriarchy came first. But religion is not a necessary nor sufficient condition for patriarchy to flourish. Patriarchy twists everything to its own purpose. That’s the whole suffocating thing about power. It can protect itself like nothing else can.
I agree that it went like this:
Patriarchy -> Religion -> Patriarchy
I’ll never understand why women nowadays are still servant of religion. “Yes, ill serve my man. I’m nothing but a baby carrier”. It’s crazy.
People make decisions with constrained choices. If you’re a woman livng in a patriarchal society which limits your ability to earn an income, and will demonise you for not staying home with your children, then you need to reliably attach yourself to a man who can earn the income you can’t. That’s how the marriage bar was justified. (Middle-class) married women were denied (white collar) employment to make more room for men to advance their careers. And why there are mixed feelings about divorce. Being trapped in marriage is no fun but neither is being abandoned with limited ability to earn a living alone.
Hostile sexism tends to co-exist with benevolent sexism. In places where there is a lot of anti-woman sexism, the women tend to hold more hostile and more benevolent views of men (eg men are violent therefore I need a big strong man to protect me).
If cancer were cured tomorrow people would still eventually die, just not from cancer. That doesn’t mean that cancer does not kill.
Yes there are shit governments and oppressive societies that, on paper at least claim, to be secular. That doesn’t mean religions are blameless and not the source of immense human suffering.
Well, exactly? Cancer is a sometimes fatal disease. But it is not the only way that people die. So someone looking at a fatal road traffic accident and cursing cancer for it is not saying anything profound or useful, they’re just very confused.
Ok but I am pretty freaken sure if you listen to what the Iranian government has to say they are crystal clear about why they are doing this.
I don’t grasp the mystery here but I have seen it since 2001. We keep saying “this isn’t Islam this isn’t religion” when the people doing this horrific stuff are clear that it is Islam and it is religion. The only one doubting the motivations, effectively calling them liars, are western apologists.
That does not contradict anything I’ve said. And why are you singling out Islam when every single religion is used to justify awful things by people who just want to do awful things.
Patriarchy predates monotheistic religions by quite some time, and was not (is not) religiously codified into all polytheistic religions. Hinduism for example is not explicitly patriarchal. Patriarchy in ancient Greece was similarly not explicitly religiously-motivated - rather, Ancient Greeks imposed their (at the time, current) cultural norms upon their religion, which was significantly more malleable than modern monotheistic (e.g. Abrahamic) religions.
In fact, very strong arguments can be made that patriarchy shaped religion, as opposed to the other way around.
See Romans in the Bible, for an easily-googleable example of one man imposing his personal ideas onto a nascent church.
What a coincidence… She “fainted”, probably just by coincidence when the burka gestapo came.
Fuck the Iranian government and its enablers! Fucking stoneage savages…
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Any institution that requires its members to have “faith” in a given set of entities is always dangerous for a free, civilized world. Religions by definition fall into this set of institutions. The cure for this is making high quality education extremely accessible to everyone around the world. Educational universities are soft power, where qualities like freedom, liberty, democracy etc. can be entrenched in people. Not doing this = allowing dangerous faith based institutions to erode away at these values.
All religions are shit. However, religion is a tool for those in power to control the masses. The root cause of the fucked up Iranian government is not Islam, it’s power hungry assholes who - thanks to the patriarchate being in place at the time they got to the top, happen to be misogynistic fucktards.
All religions are not shit. All organized religion is. You don’t ever hear of a Taoist committing these kind of acts.
Yeah cause there is like 5 of them. You don’t get credit for being a good person because you are too weak to be a bad one.
What? Taoism has millions of practitioners and since it’s not an organized religion there’s probably millions more that are uncounted, myself included. Also a major part of the belief system is karma so we absolutely believe in standing up to evil in all of its forms because that’s how you reduce suffering and create more good into the world.
Wow millions. Cool. Do you have a country? Do you have a province? Do you have even a city? Too weak to cause problems doesnt mean good.
Also a major part of the belief system is karma
Gotcha. Like every other religion.
Man, you’re an asshole, a bigot and a dumbass. How’s that for weak? Congrats on being the evil in the world.
Boring
this government represents islamic government more than it represents iranian government.
call it for what it is , islamic government.
If someone assaults you for not wearing religious clothing, they are oppressing your freedoms and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Violence is preferable
Yeah the ones doing the oppression are those most likely to resort to violence
Fuck these asshats, seriously. God damn cavemen. It’s 2023, not 100AD
Fuck all of the world religions. They are all liars and frauds. They have no answers other than: “you are wrong”
Agreed.
Religion is poison. Doesn’t matter which one you pick.
flying spaghetti monster
Ramen
That ones pasta instead of poison
Okay, that one’s kinda sorta wholesom.
Lucky other women in the train, who all wore theirs voluntarily. /s
Hijabs are a sign of female empowerment i’ve been told.
I think a suitable punishment for this would be to torture the guy and cut off his dick to make sure his genes doesn’t spread.
Guy? the article itself said it was a bunch of female officers that assaulted her.
Ok thank you but same idea.
will she be okay holy shit
How is an assault considered alleged?
Because clearly she randomly fainted from low blood pressure and slammed her head repeatedly on the pavement.
Read the article and find out.
the comment sections in posts like these are starting to read like reddit. and that makes me kinda sad.
A cursory glance suggests people are more focused on blaming religion than they are the brutal regime :/
At this point, it’s the parent’s fault for raising their children in Iran.
They should be doing everything in their power to leave.
Because it’s your fault you were born in a regime that kills anyone who tries to leave?
That’s some hot shit take there.
Does Iran kill anyone who tries to leave?
Cool, let’s have my country, the US, return to unfettered immigration policies and bring back the policy that if you set foot on US soil, you’re made a citizen.
Then let’s start importing people from these hellstates by the millions. Throw billions of dollars at it. Redirect anti-terrorism money to this sort of immigration instead.
I mean this 100% unironically. Great for the world, great for humanity, and spectacular for the US
I happen to agree. Ideally I would open the floodgates little by little and turn the US into a nation of a billion. So many countries want to send us the best that they have. It’s freaken free money. Come here, bring your food, and work in our factories.
I’d propose a modified version
With allies and neutrals negotiate an immigration policy case by case to achieve a balance which best benefits both sides of the transit.
With enemies, open the gates and make a point of how everyone who’s able to choose will at least be extremely tempted to choose the US.
Even better since we’re in a day and age when America’s geopolitical enemies are already in demographic crises, adopting this policy would basically set up enemy nations for abject failure while solidifying America’s own demographic balance, and in an extended sense, that of America’s allies.
Meanwhile we avoid brain draining potential allies like opening the flood gates with mexico would achieve.
Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Those who are rich and comfy enough with the regime can leave easily and be welcomed across the globe. Those who aren’t, well, sucks to be them.
