A British citizen is among dozens of festival attendees who are missing, kidnapped or presumed dead

The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

  • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    13·
    11 months ago

    You can fuck off first, no one is forcing you to talk to me.

    So pre-Nakba counts, but also doesn’t count.

    Israel is to blame because they formed a state, which ‘set the stage’ for these events, and made them ‘colonizers’, but violence against jews pre-Israel was fine because they didn’t have a state so that violence was in the name of nationalism, not colonizing, so its ok violence

    I have a ‘hateful little brain’ for bringing up events that happened in the time of ‘great-great-grandparents’, but Palestinians are justified in hanging on to land ownership rights from the times of their great-great-grandparents.

    I’m a ‘hateful atheist’ for pointing out that people who identify as fundamentalist followers of violent ideologies are statistically more likely to kill not only each other, but secular people like me. I should do my best to elevate these people so they can have the opportunity to force their religion and culture on me next. (Real paradox of tolerance test there - also, did you read this as applying to only Palestinians who support Hamas? it also applies to Israelis who are zionist. )

    I get that Israel is kicking the shit out of Gaza recently. I think you get that if Palestine had all the power, they’d be kicking the shit out of Israel. Its just that you think that would be justified because you’re a racist/bigot/insert one of your insults here.

    I also get that Israel is shitty for killing kids in Gaza. Thats why fuck zionists / fuck Israel - they got the land they wanted, and they wouldn’t stop.

    Religious bullshit never stops.

    • clanginator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      11 months ago

      The cognitive dissonance is truly staggering.

      but violence against jews pre-Israel was fine

      Yet again putting words in my mouth. No, the violence pre-Israel wasn’t fine. But it wasn’t the oppression and attempted genocide of an indigenous people.

      but Palestinians are justified in hanging on to land ownership rights from the times of their great-great-grandparents.

      Nobody is alive that would have had a say in any of the shit you brought up.

      There are people alive who had a hand in, or were victims of, the Nakba. The distinction really isn’t that hard to make unless you’re just terribly dense or have an agenda.

      And I haven’t brought up land rights at all, but land is being actively taken away from Palestinians illegally as part of their ongoing oppression, so yet again you show yourself to be an uneducated idiot who comments on shit they don’t understand.

      I’m a ‘hateful atheist’ for pointing out that people who identify as fundamentalist followers of violent ideologies are statistically more likely to kill not only each other

      Not at all what you said. You’re a hateful atheist for lumping all Palestinians together with religious extremists, repeatedly, for discussing the entire conflict as if there are only religious fundamentalists involved, for the callous way you discuss religion’s involvement in the conflict, and the way you let it cloud your perception of events so much that you minimize attempted genocide. (Also, coincidentally why I called you a racist. Because characterizing an entire people group by the actions of religious extremists is fucking racist, bigot)

      I should do my best to elevate these people

      Again with the racism. Can’t go two lines without it. “These people” are not all religious extremists. You can call for the end of the oppression of Palestinians while also calling for a situation that doesn’t put Hamas in power. It’s kinda crazy, you don’t need to let your hate for religion influence how you speak about an entire oppressed people group.

      I get that Israel is kicking the shit out of Gaza recently

      That’s a real minimalist way to say they’ve been committing genocide for 80 years.

      I think you get that if Palestine had all the power, they’d be kicking the shit out of Israel

      Yakno for someone who hates on people believing in imaginary shit, you sure like to make up imaginary scenarios to use in arguments a lot. I’m not in lalaland like ur bigoted ass, I’m in the real world where ACTUAL OPPRESSION IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING. That’s what I care about, not saying that the people being oppressed deserve it cause “they’d probably do the same thing” (Racism. That there is racism. Since you have no clue what racism is either, apparently)

      Its just that you think that would be justified because you’re a racist/bigot/insert one of your insults here

      You have actually made a number of racist/bigoted remarks in your comments. I call out your bigotry/racism for what it is, and have specifically identified things you’ve said that are problematic. It’s not just an insult I throw around, you were just literally being racist, because you’re a bigot. Show me where I’ve said something bigoted or racist.

      In fact, the first comment of yours I replied to was some shit I called out, and every comment since has had something that was either outright bigotry or reeked of it.

      At this point, there is a clear pattern of bigoted remarks, which takes it from “you’re saying some things that maybe are bigoted” (paraphrasing my first reply to you) to “you’ve made a lot of racist/bigoted remarks, and you refuse to address the problematic nature of your comments while continuing to say the same shit. Therefore, you’re a fucking bigot”.

      Religious bullshit never stops.

      And bigoted idiots never stop spewing bullshit.

      I got an impossible challenge for ur response:

      1. No pearl-clutching (“tHeY’D dEstrOY mY Way oF LifE”-type shit)

      2. No false equivalencies (talk about oppression without an imaginary whataboutism scenario)

      3. Talk about victims of oppression without deflecting to ur hatred of religion (and with actual compassion, for added bonus)

      For someone who claims to care about women’s rights and protecting ur “way of life” u sure don’t seem to give af if Palestinian women get human rights anytime soon. Fucking hypocrite.

      • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        11 months ago

        98% of Palestinians are Sunni Muslims who support Sharia law. Show me the government of Palestine that doesn’t. They elected Hamas.

        People like you easily blame all Americans for the actions of american government. You easily blame Israelis for the actions of Israel government. But you want zero responsibility for Palestinians for Palestinians government. Get over yourself, self-righteous hypocrite.

          • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            11 months ago

            I’d rather watch you try to keep convincing yourself that everyone else is a hateful ass and you are the only one who understands Israel / Palestine, and its such an easy conflict to solve if we’d all just admit Palestinians are the ultimate victims… and … what? kick Israel out of the middle east? I don’t think I’ve heard your solution.

            TO summarize: When they had power and they chose to make a 2 tiered society: that was long ago - they can’t be blamed for that.

            When Palestine thought they had enough power to get rid of Israel, and they tried to do it in a war they lost - they can’t be blamed for that. Those were ‘colonizers’ they were trying to kill.

            When they elected Hamas and attacked Israel, they can’t be blamed for that because they were frustrated at their lack of power.

            Also, unlike you, I haven’t displayed a tendency to hold double standards

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

              • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                11·
                11 months ago

                So you have no solution, but just want everyone to pretend these people can get along in the meantime, and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot. Despite a long history of violence showing they cannot get along. I get it. It’s the typical neo-liberal view of the world. ‘All religions and lifestyles can coexist if we put on enough blinders’. (and subjugate people hard enough under capitalism)

                You probably scream FREE PALESTINE every chance you get, but have no idea what that even means, and have no answers for Israeli citizens safety if the walls fell down tomorrow.

                I like how people on your side drop APARTHEID STATE into the conversation as if its the ultimate nuke, and then people on the other side drop SUPPORTING TERRORISTS KILLING BABIES into the conversation to nuke back. Both self-righteous as fuck about your own losses and ignorant (or secretly happy about) of the other sides losses. So I guess you’re the ‘SUPPORTING TERRORISTS KILLING BABIES’ type then if we are sticking to the black/white script?

                At least you admit you infantilize Palestinians to the point where you no longer believe they have agency. Nothing they do is their fault. Do you stick with that line when you see a Palestine immigrant involved in violence abroad?