• Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    A refreshing take for sure, and even though Bernie is Jewish he sees this cruel regime for what it really is. There are no excuses for harming innocent civilians, ever!

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      11 months ago

      A lot of jewish actually call this out as a genocide, its just the world leader playing their politics while the people are getting murdered on the ground.

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        11 months ago

        Every time the Israeli-Palastine conflict heats up, this is one of the most personally challenging parts. Israel ties itself so strongly to Judaism and tries to make its own political motivations inseparable from it. It makes it a very bizarre time to be a Jew, as you watch horrors unfold against oppressed peoples and civilians and some monster tells the world “This is for YOU! For YOUR benefit!”

        It’s sickening. Very literally, physically so it is gut-wrenching. There comes some relief in seeing a similar reaction among many other community members. The older generation definitely has more ardent Zionists, but at least the youth and younger adults seem to be turning away from this and seeing the horrors for what they are.

        Another oddity is that non-Jews turn to you as if you have some unique input on this. As if Israel sends out a poll to Jews across the globe on how it should act then follows those recommendations. I have less input on Israeli action than I do American politics as a US citizen. As if my disgust with political violence is something special because of my religion. How utterly bizarre it is to see someone say “Well Bernie saying this means something extra because he’s a Jew.” This kind of thinking is permitting Israeli propaganda to define Judaism and it’s vile.

        It’s understood as bigotry when this is done to Muslim representatives in Congress, but not when Israel commits horrors.

        It’s all just wildly taxing.

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        11 months ago

        Yes I’m aware. I also know many Israeli citizens condemn the actions of their government. I just think that as an American Jewish politician, Bernie has an incentive not to criticize the Israeli government but he still does, and that takes some courage.

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        Problem is, at least where I live, the majority of the Jewish community fervently supports Israel.

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      11 months ago

      Bernie Sanders being a Jew doesn’t impact his ability to call out cruelty and horror and saying otherwise plays into some really gross mentalities that have been lobbied against Jews for a long long time.

      For what it’s worth, I really really doubt it’s your intent to suggest some kind of Jewish dual loyalty exists, you’re clearly celebrating someone speaking out against incredible injustice, but sometimes I think we repeat sentiments and ideas that we hear often without critically examining them for what they can imply. And this kind of sentiment is unfortunately common in media and discussions around Israel.

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        11 months ago

        Moreover, the idea that Israel somehow represents Jewish people as a whole is simply Israeli propaganda that promotes Israel’s interests at the expense of non-Israeli Jews.

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        I think it’s more pointing out how many politicians (and people in general), especially Republicans, who won’t criticize them, and even say criticizing them is anti-semitic. Him being Jewish means he has more cultural connection to them than they do, yet he still points it out. He also can’t reliably be called anti-semitic because he is a semite (at least the modern meaning of the word. I’m not sure if he speaks Hebrew or other Semitic languages).

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          11 months ago

          This “cultural connection” remark is literally what I’m talking about.

          Bernie Sanders has zero impact on Israeli policymaking and being Jewish “connecting” him to Israel is nonsense. Would Ilhan Omar decrying Hamas hold more weight simply because she is Sunni? Of course not, it would be bigoted to think so. Why is this different for Bernie Sanders?

          And while Sanders certainly isn’t exhibiting any antisemitism in his remarks, he’s not incapable of antisemitism simply because he is a Jew. I’m sure you can come up with your own analogies here that show the absurdity of that kind of thinking.

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            It’s different because it’s Israel and Israel has a stranglehold over US politics.