Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

  • TheLurker@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    You can argue conceptually all you want. The fact remains, Communism has failed every time it has been implemented and has always devolved rapidly into an oppressive rule.

    Because humans value individualism and Communism is inherently at odds with it.

    Apart from that, trying to claim there might be “other factors” is just wild speculation and still side steps the point. Communism doesn’t work in practice.

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      11 months ago

      I’m arguing that communism could work and that not working in our world doesn’t disprove it, for all that matters.

      I also think that the concept of failure needs a little attention, I mean you could argue that democracy failed too, it’s supposed to give everyone an equal voice in the system and yet rich people have an incomparably stronger pull on elections and therefore decisions.

      I would argue that humans value collectivism more than individualism, the last few centuries would see to go against this notion but for most of humanity we have lived in close knitted communities and valued our dépendance on each others. Even now the most individualist and powerful human would die in matter of months without help from the community (think of the water distribution and sanitation, no water = no food = death).

      Thank you for arguing your point though, I appreciate it and it gave me very much food for thought, I’m not even denying that communism failed, it did, it has had its successes but it mostly failed it’s purpose, as did democracy. One of them pulled it off better though, of course democracy.

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        11 months ago

        The point is that it can’t work in practice, only in theory. Because Marx failed to understand the human desire for self determination, freedom of expression and individuality.

        Even if the price is a greedy capitalist system, humans will prefer it over a “Workers Paradise”, because of the allure of the aforementioned.

        And that is why every time it is adopted it devolves into an authoritarian regime, because that’s the only way the leadership can maintain power, is through fear and brutality.

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      11 months ago

      Because humans value brainwashed humans value individualism despite not having a clue what that even means

      FTFY.