Heritage Minister Steven Guilbeault told a televised House of Commons heritage committee on Wednesday that the government’s long-delayed Online Harms Act is aimed only at “clearly harmful content”.
It further amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to let Canadians file complaints over online hate speech, which will be defined, in line with Supreme Court rulings, as expression amounting to “detestation or vilification,” but not speech that merely offends
The bill also raises maximum Criminal Code penalties for hate propaganda, increasing the sentence for advocating genocide to life imprisonment
Those two part are worrying. What if the law considet my opposition to zionism as hate propaganda and call for genocide when many consider antizionism to be the same as antisremitism. I wouldn’t want life empirsonment even for gaza genocide apologism
Nah, imo laws like that are why we don’t have Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson in Canada. Life in prison is probably the maximum and will probably only be used in extreme cases probably for repeat offenders clearly advocating for genocide.
Imo genocide apologism is very different from actually promoting one.
Nah, imo laws like that are why we don’t have Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson in Canada
Just look how those law as was wrongly used in the UK. Those laws are generally very vague that it can be abused
Imo genocide apologism is very different from actually promoting one.
Canada do not even recognize the genocide in palestine and sudan so who is this adressed to? Is it only for people promoting genocide in ukraine because they are our ally?
I don’t really see how it is difference like someone saying Palestinians voted for Hamas so they are responsible for what happened to them (the genocide) that sound like a promotion of the idea to me that israel is forced to do genocide
Considering Canada double standard, i am afraid it will be applied to one side only. Canada for example did nothing when their was occupied land sales in synagogues
Its not about recognizing existing genocides, it’s about promoting genocide. For example, Trump and Netanyahu’s plan of taking over Gaza and turning it into a resort is promotion of genocide. Or calling for the elimination of people based on a protected attribute is promotion of genocide.
Which Israel is doing and many Zionists inside Canada but they didn’t even punish people selling occupied lands in synagogues. Isn’t keeping stealing lands in the west bank not promotion of genocide?
They even consider being antizionism as a call for genocide under the pretext that it would mean to support the expulsion of Israeli from Israel which normal Palestinians supporters would not advocate for it
I am not saying that things I said will happen but there is definitely real worries about laws
But anti zionism is calling for genocide too. What do you think would happen to Israelis if the Israeli state ceased to exist? Especially if Hamas still exists. I don’t believe in collective punishment, and anti-zionism sounds pretty collective punishmenty to me.
Are you telling me that the antizionist jews want Israeli jews to be expulsed from Israel and for Israel to be destroyed? You clearly don’t know what Zionism is. Zionism is the supremacist ideology that say that jews no matter where they lived had the right to return to an already inhabited land and force a state on them by expulsing them . Zionism is not the belief that Israel has the right to exists nowadays.
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. -
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Israel first prime minister of israel Ben Gurion
Google defines Zionism as “a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.” This is my definition too. I disagree with land taking, but Jews deserve their own country too, they are under constant prosecution and escape goated everywhere. If it wasn’t going to be at least near the original Israeli tribes were, then I can’t think of anywhere else. The irony is that it’s the right that often escape goats jews for issues in the west, but the middle eastern countries have been prosecuting jews since long before Israel existed.
Also, like you said, what is done is done. But the borders shouldn’t change again.
I just hate the Israeli government tbh that Israelis keep electing. They don’t want peace, they violate international laws constantly, the coalition has genocide supporters, etc.
But the Gazan government is so bad that they haven’t even allowed free elections in almost 20 years.
Anyway, I doubt the courts will accept criticism of the Israeli government as supporting genocide, if someone expresses support for Hamas, or from river to sea, maybe, but not straight up criticism is Natenyahu and his dipshits.
Google defines Zionism as “a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.” This is my definition too. I disagree with land taking but
There was people already living there, the land owned by jews was not all concentrated in one place the Jezreel Valley, Jordan Valley, and Galilee was separated by Arab lands so how would you create an ethnostate in the area without displacing the local population? I even gave you the father of Zionism showing that he supported the displacement of the local population. I gave you the quote from the first prime minister of Israel who say he intending to occupy the whole land . You know that this is true since the 6 day war was supported to be an attack against Egypt yet they decided to occupy Palestinians lands that was under Egyptians , why didn’t they only occupy Sinai
they are under constant prosecution and escape goated everywhere
This do not justify settler colonialism and punishing Palestinians who had nothing to do with Jewish persecution. The worse Jewish persecutions happened in Europe we all now about the holocaust but also the reconquista where jews was expulsed and was accepted by the Ottomans and this is not a defense of the Ottomans they did more wrong than right
It’s important to call out the ideology that led to the tragedy because there is lot of Israel defender who claim that Palestinians was hating all jews for being jews and because the same policies never stopped and continuing till today . It is not a call to destroy Israel physically .
If since it’s creation Israel was oppressing Palestinians then the problem is definitely not the government
If it wasn’t going to be at least near the original Israeli tribes were, then I can’t think of anywhere else.
That’s the supremacism i am talking about there was people living in the land before the Israelites and even before the Canaanites which both jews and Palestinians are decedents of but for strange reasons we think that anybody who is Jewish could have returned to a land inhabited by other people and force a state on them.
I just hate the Israeli government tbh that Israelis keep electing. They don’t want peace, they violate international laws constantly, the coalition has genocide supporters, etc.
If from the creation of Israel to today , the policy was to occupy and to oppress Palestinians then the problem is not the governments it is the ideology that is behind the policies Zionism
But the Gazan government is so bad that they haven’t even allowed free elections in almost 20 years.
If there is no election in countries that are under war why would there be elections under occupation? Hamas was pretty clear they will give up power once Palestinians get their own state . Let say Hamas is lying and would not respect the promise, the PA gave up violence against israel and is collaborating with the IDF . If the world allow a Palestinian state with the fundamental right of owning an army ruled by the PA they would fight Hamas, Hamas would also lose most of it’s support but our hypocritical western countries deny that right to Palestinians while arming an occupation force
Those two part are worrying. What if the law considet my opposition to zionism as hate propaganda and call for genocide when many consider antizionism to be the same as antisremitism. I wouldn’t want life empirsonment even for gaza genocide apologism
Nah, imo laws like that are why we don’t have Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson in Canada. Life in prison is probably the maximum and will probably only be used in extreme cases probably for repeat offenders clearly advocating for genocide.
Imo genocide apologism is very different from actually promoting one.
Just look how those law as was wrongly used in the UK. Those laws are generally very vague that it can be abused
Canada do not even recognize the genocide in palestine and sudan so who is this adressed to? Is it only for people promoting genocide in ukraine because they are our ally?
I don’t really see how it is difference like someone saying Palestinians voted for Hamas so they are responsible for what happened to them (the genocide) that sound like a promotion of the idea to me that israel is forced to do genocide
Considering Canada double standard, i am afraid it will be applied to one side only. Canada for example did nothing when their was occupied land sales in synagogues
Its not about recognizing existing genocides, it’s about promoting genocide. For example, Trump and Netanyahu’s plan of taking over Gaza and turning it into a resort is promotion of genocide. Or calling for the elimination of people based on a protected attribute is promotion of genocide.
Which Israel is doing and many Zionists inside Canada but they didn’t even punish people selling occupied lands in synagogues. Isn’t keeping stealing lands in the west bank not promotion of genocide?
They even consider being antizionism as a call for genocide under the pretext that it would mean to support the expulsion of Israeli from Israel which normal Palestinians supporters would not advocate for it
I am not saying that things I said will happen but there is definitely real worries about laws
But anti zionism is calling for genocide too. What do you think would happen to Israelis if the Israeli state ceased to exist? Especially if Hamas still exists. I don’t believe in collective punishment, and anti-zionism sounds pretty collective punishmenty to me.
Are you telling me that the antizionist jews want Israeli jews to be expulsed from Israel and for Israel to be destroyed? You clearly don’t know what Zionism is. Zionism is the supremacist ideology that say that jews no matter where they lived had the right to return to an already inhabited land and force a state on them by expulsing them . Zionism is not the belief that Israel has the right to exists nowadays.
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Google defines Zionism as “a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.” This is my definition too. I disagree with land taking, but Jews deserve their own country too, they are under constant prosecution and escape goated everywhere. If it wasn’t going to be at least near the original Israeli tribes were, then I can’t think of anywhere else. The irony is that it’s the right that often escape goats jews for issues in the west, but the middle eastern countries have been prosecuting jews since long before Israel existed.
Also, like you said, what is done is done. But the borders shouldn’t change again.
I just hate the Israeli government tbh that Israelis keep electing. They don’t want peace, they violate international laws constantly, the coalition has genocide supporters, etc.
But the Gazan government is so bad that they haven’t even allowed free elections in almost 20 years.
Anyway, I doubt the courts will accept criticism of the Israeli government as supporting genocide, if someone expresses support for Hamas, or from river to sea, maybe, but not straight up criticism is Natenyahu and his dipshits.
There was people already living there, the land owned by jews was not all concentrated in one place the Jezreel Valley, Jordan Valley, and Galilee was separated by Arab lands so how would you create an ethnostate in the area without displacing the local population? I even gave you the father of Zionism showing that he supported the displacement of the local population. I gave you the quote from the first prime minister of Israel who say he intending to occupy the whole land . You know that this is true since the 6 day war was supported to be an attack against Egypt yet they decided to occupy Palestinians lands that was under Egyptians , why didn’t they only occupy Sinai
This do not justify settler colonialism and punishing Palestinians who had nothing to do with Jewish persecution. The worse Jewish persecutions happened in Europe we all now about the holocaust but also the reconquista where jews was expulsed and was accepted by the Ottomans and this is not a defense of the Ottomans they did more wrong than right
It’s important to call out the ideology that led to the tragedy because there is lot of Israel defender who claim that Palestinians was hating all jews for being jews and because the same policies never stopped and continuing till today . It is not a call to destroy Israel physically . If since it’s creation Israel was oppressing Palestinians then the problem is definitely not the government
That’s the supremacism i am talking about there was people living in the land before the Israelites and even before the Canaanites which both jews and Palestinians are decedents of but for strange reasons we think that anybody who is Jewish could have returned to a land inhabited by other people and force a state on them.
If from the creation of Israel to today , the policy was to occupy and to oppress Palestinians then the problem is not the governments it is the ideology that is behind the policies Zionism
If there is no election in countries that are under war why would there be elections under occupation? Hamas was pretty clear they will give up power once Palestinians get their own state . Let say Hamas is lying and would not respect the promise, the PA gave up violence against israel and is collaborating with the IDF . If the world allow a Palestinian state with the fundamental right of owning an army ruled by the PA they would fight Hamas, Hamas would also lose most of it’s support but our hypocritical western countries deny that right to Palestinians while arming an occupation force