Update…Per Microsoft’s instructions, disabled all tracking protections in Safari and requested desktop mode and it works. Their instructions say turn protections back on after using teams… 😐
Funny enough it works in Safari and not Edge…tho that may be Apple’s fault since all browsers are somewhat just versions of Safari, last I heard…
In Microsoft’s defense I phones don’t have proper web browsers. They are all the same under the hood
Yeah, this might be it. For anyone not aware, every browser on iOS is just safari with a different skin and some plugins to work with whatever ecosystem you actually are trying to use.
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It’s an active case in the EU court, and may only change for Europe. So it may not happen and it may not in all countries.
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They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper. It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
See 2.5.6 here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
On iOS, they quite literally can’t in some aspects. They’re restricted to using the supplied WebKit Apple enforces. On Android you can use the Blink Web View (Chromium) or Gecko Web View (Firefox). Both of which can be bundled in the app, or you can use the system version.
They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper.
Every single iOS “browser” is WebKit. AKA Safari. Due to Apple’s plug-in system being proprietary, it’s difficult to extend. Third party browsers typically use JavaScript injections which slow down the browsing experience. The supplied WebKit is also watered down and updated on a slower cycle. Apple intentionally makes their browser better.
You’re not actually using Microsoft Edge. You’re using Safari and it’s being identified as such by the UA string. Due to Safari being in last place for web standards feature support, it’s not surprising you’re coming across the issue.
iOS only allows PWAs in Safari, and Safari lacks a lot of features for PWAs - https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/ is a pretty good resource for figuring out what they do and don’t support.
Outside of PWAs, Safari is a pain to develop for. Unlike both Firefox and Chromium browsers, its “dev tools” are a bit of a mess and don’t support simply adding extensions like React Dev Tools to augment them. To use such an extension you have to run it as an independent application and connect to Safari, and IME doing this it frequently fails to actually connect properly and didn’t provide a comparable workflow.
When I was working on an app that only needed to support Safari, I ended up just using those extensions in Chrome or Firefox rather than trying to build it in Safari.
And this is my experience building on a Mac. For anyone developing on a Windows or Linux device, it’s not like they can just install Safari locally to confirm that everything works. So if something doesn’t work in Safari, it’s probably not gonna get caught by the developer.
They don’t though. They all use the same engine and a subject to Apples restrictive rules
Safari/WebKit on iOS doesn’t support Opus which makes it a non starter for modern video call platforms.
That are two capital NOs from me:
- using teams on my own phone
- turning off tracking protections.
Lemmy has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.
Teams is exceptional in being terrible.
I was totally over trash talking MS stuff until Teams came along and reminded me just how terrible they can be when they have a market segment cornered.
When it works it’s alright. Interfaces with the rest of office. But Microsoft literally breaks it all the time…it’s never been more broken then when I updated to Windows 11 today. Literally spent 6 fucking hours on updates, reboots, uninstalls and reinstalls. When I logged off and went home I was still using the damn web version because windows updates were immediately breaking anything tech support fixed. I got paid for doing very little but really frustrating day.
Agreed but also fuck teams.
i hate MS, Google, Amazon, Apple … FOSS or bust fuck these robber barron birches
Same here but I’ve got to admit Google does some cool stuff.
Speaking as someone who has to use Google Cloud Platform most days; they also do some horrific stuff, and their documentation and support are miles behind the AWS and Azure equivalents. And having worse documentation than Azure is quite the achievement.
I was talking more about ai and Dev tools tbh I haven’t ever used Google cloud functions or whatever ever their cloud computing thing is called but I have seen some docs that didn’t look bad…
Bust fuck ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I’ve been using computers for well over 30 years. Teams is an unintuitive pile of shit.
Yes we have
If they would actually fix their shit then we would probably be less critical of it but right now it is a pile of steaming garbage
So my Linux loving friend had their Debian installation nuke itself the other day. They went to boot it up and it just vanished. Completely gone. For zero discernable reason. It worked the night before without issue, it worked for months before that without issue, only to boot up and have everything missing.
All this is to say that using non Microsoft operating systems doesn’t magically make everything better. Everything in computing has issues and there’s no such thing as the perfect system.
Plus, even if Windows was perfect and fully FOSS, you and I both know you and all the other unix people would still hate it. It’s been the same circle jerk since the day unix existed.
As a ““power user”” of software, 98% of software sucks. There’s always shit that makes you go “have they even tried using this?” or “did they test this at all?”
Anecdote about a magical disappearing operating system? And it is somehow the fault of the OS and not the MUCH more likely culprits, user error and hardware failure? Conflating UNIX and Linux as if they are the same thing? Your story sounds like naive exaggeration based on ignorance and hyperbole.
But you’re right, there are plenty of reasons to hate Microsoft that have nothing to do with open vs. closed source philosophies. However, saying that the foundational principles of open source software development are more sound than closed source development in general and the particular way Microsoft has chosen to develop is not the same at all as your “perfect system” straw-man argument.
By the way, UNIX was created in 1969, Windows was initially released in 1983 (but didn’t really take off with Win3.1 in 1992), and Linux began in 1991. So your final statement while technically true, I suppose, is kind of absurd.
Your story sounds like naive exaggeration based on ignorance and hyperbole
You mean kinda like how every “Windows bad!” Story is just a PEBCAK error? Lol
How much did your friend pay for Debian?
As in there is no boot entry? Or the drive was empty? There about 5 different possible causes for that that I can think of, all of which are user errors or hardware failures (or windows updates wiping boot entries xD).
Regardless, I get what you are saying, I wouldn’t recommend using Linux for 98% of people. The exception being when what you need to do is either not supported or is an absolute nightmare on Windows.
I chose to use Linux before I needed it, purely because windows always felt unintuitive, sluggish and irrationally complicated for me. Nowadays I cannot do what I need to do (for work and personal projects) on Windows or do not have the time to get it working. I maintain several Linux and Windows servers, on top of writing the software that’s running on them. I simply do not have the time to deal with a lack of documentation and the weird workarounds needed to do what I need to do on Windows.
When it comes to things like scientific computing, ML, databases and anything “backend” or low level, most of the software doesn’t support Windows and the OS level API’s are confusing as all hell.
Windows is better for the average “desktop user”, but it falls short as soon as you need to do things the average user never does.
True but with good reason. I hate Microsoft and my job is implementing their stuff.
My colleagues are all hyped up about Ignite later this month, it’s disgusting, like a cult. And they’re constantly spamming LinkedIn full of Microsoft headlines like good corporate drones.
Lemmythe internet has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.you must be new here
the internet has a serious boner for hating on
Microsoftmajor corporations.you must be new to the internet
the internet has a serious boner
for hating on major corporationsYou get used to it
We were told that Teams was the bees knees and it would massively enhance collaboration and productivity due to its fantastic integration.
Well, let me tell you that my disappointment was immeasurable.
It is so slow, so inflexible, so unpolished. I despise it for anything other than a quick chat.
On my work computer Teams is consistently the biggest memory hog even when I’m not in a meeting or actively using it.
Yeah, like there’s issues but I was literally just arguing with a guy earlier who genuinely thought that using Linux was a magic bullet for network security because “FOSS is secure!”
He was more worried about microsoft skimming his data than threat actors planting malware. THAT was his primary “security” concern. Find me any Sec analyst that is worried about what Microsoft is doing versus hacktivists or foreign governments, you can’t. We know it’s happening, just don’t use personal shit on your company computer.
Then he accused me of being a Microsoft fanboy because I said users having unrestricted access to putting whatever software they want on their machine is a massive attack surface.
These wannabe’s are so fucking bad here, and because there’s so many of them the non-IT users get up voted while actual IT professionals get downvoted for speaking the truth based on actual security policies.
Teams, when used within a single Org, works great. For 3rd party interaction, or working for multiple Orgs I would highly recommend almost any other product.
The intra-org integration with SharePoint and document management/data retention is very good.
But nonsense like what OP is experiencing is why even I, as the senior MS Support SysAdmin at my employer, refuse to use Microsoft Office products on my personal Android phone.
If they want/need me to do that, they can give me a dedicated phone just for that purpose. MS MAM is never touching my personal equipment in a million years.
OP is stuck between a rock and a crap place.
I was hired during the pandemic and Teams has been my main way of interacting with my employer and co-workers since 2021. I like it OK most days but Microsoft likes to release updates that break things several times a year. Oh…I like this new feature! And…an update broke it
I keep Teams on my Android phone but installed in its own isolated work profile via Shelter.
Our MAM policy would not allow this.
Frankly it’s BS.
Teams is far more than mildly infuriating
I don’t use Teams but I use WebEx on a Linux laptop. Can’t imagine how it can get worse than that
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They don’t even let you log in if your browser is set to block third party cookies. Fuck Microsoft.
They say it is rewritten and in reality it has the exact same bugs and issues as before. Kudos to the product manager who managed to sale it as new
Do you have a “Use Desktop Mode” on iPhone browsers?
Ah…after 15 minutes of fucking around I was able to get it to work only after disabling all tracking prevention at Microsoft’s direction and clearing all browser history and requesting desktop website. Their instructions say to turn tracking protections back on when you are done using teams browser version…
Now I can go online and tell my team windows 11 is still installing. Hurray! 😂
Didn’t you know? With Microsoft products those trackers are required. The app just wouldn’t be able to function if they couldn’t track everything you typed into it. You should really be more thoughtful of Microsoft and how you’re being a big meany by not giving them your data.
Glad you got it fixed. It really grinds my gears that so many big companies have taken their lightweight and usable mobile interfaces and borked them, replacing it with a page saying “Use our app 🤭”, then the app is just the mobile page in a webview wrapper for the majority of functions.
I hate that so fucking much. Why would I fill my phone with crap apps for something that I only use once a month or so? Teams wouldn’t be the case since I use it often. But so much more apps are asking and sometimes forcing you to download an app that’s the exact same shit as loading the page… 🤦🏻♂️
WHY?
It’s harder to track you in some browsers, like safari and Firefox.
But the best apps are the ones that tell you to go to the web page to access some key feature. Despite the website telling you, you need to download the app.
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I have to use that garbage teams app every f****** day and I hate it. I’m glad I have an android phone and actually have some choice with regard to my browser.
Oh poor you. It’s probably not your fault you are living the life of you.
What the fuck is this bullshit comment? Come on, man. If you want to be an insulting troll, at least put in some effort. Sheesh.
It’s a playful encouragement
Crapping on people complaining about work 👏🏻 cool cool
Always the victim… even here on lemmy
I work in the tech support field and Microsoft is making me want to quit and find a work that doesn’t involve using Teams. I’ve never liked them very much and been a Linux user for over 20 years, but I still have to deal with them for work. However they’re becoming increasingly difficult to tolerate.
They really really want Windows users to have a Microsoft account. I avoid that and prefer local accounts. But Microsoft likes to link my local account with my Microsoft account anyway, because I need to give it to them to play Minecraft on Windows. So now even if I didn’t want to, my Windows account is showing the picture of my Microsoft/Windows Gaming account profile because I must have passed over a box to uncheck somewhere while logging into Windows Gaming to play Minecraft… mildly infuriating Microsoft.
I used a personal laptop for work a few times and accidentally connected my OneDrive to my corporate account. Again, I must have misunderstood the configuration and login process because it synced (more like moved) all my personal files on my work’s OneDrive. Mildly infuriating Microsoft.
Same personal laptop used for work sometimes. I use Edge specifically to separate work from personal browsing and somehow, again, I logged in somewhere with my work account and it synced all my personal browsing history and saved passwords from a different browser, into my “Edge for business” online thigny. So when I was using Edge at work, on my work computer, it was suggesting me logins and passwords from my personal browser that I use on different computers. Mildly infuriating Microsoft.
Teams, OneDrive, Edge for business, their subscription model, forcing Microsoft accounts… individually they are mildly infuriating but combined together, let’s say it’s a powerful generator of rolling eyes.
There is a setting in office 365 that won’t allow non-company assets to log in. It got me too.
Yeah that setting does it’a job, I get rejected if I try to use a teams app. But it works on the web for whatever reason.
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Whenever I log into teams on my home PC, Firefox pops up to be like “hey, teams is asking to use cookies from microsoftonline.com is that okay?” It’s possible Safari is enforcing something like that but without the prompt.
Jooooin uuuuuus
