A 25-year-old suspect is in custody on a sexual abuse charge after allegedly following and assaulting the former Arizona senator while she was running on Wednesday
A 25-year-old suspect is in custody on a sexual abuse charge after allegedly following and assaulting the former Arizona senator while she was running on Wednesday
Why do you think police don’t do anything and what do you think can be done about it?
I’m not referring to the legal definition of consent. I’m referring to if she, individually, was willing or unwilling.
I’ll just repost that in caps so you can re-read it again,
SHE WAS NOT LEGALLY ABLE TO CONSENT IN THAT SITUATION, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. SHE WAS A CHILD. IT DOESNT MATTER IF A KID SCREAMS NO OR NOT THEY ARE A KID AND CANNOT CONSENT.
I’m not gonna elaborate on that more. If you need me to explain to you why pedophilia is wrong you’re too far gone and I have no interest in even speaking with you.
Police don’t follow up on sex crimes because the system, including them, is misogynistic and does not treat sex crimes with the same seriousness they do other crimes. Even if your rapist is found guilty, odds are fantastic that they will get a slap on the wrist. We all see the way other women are treated by police, we all see the way women are dismissed in the judicial system. Women who report are called promiscuous demons, they’re torn apart by the media. No one believes them. And so we all get raped. And reporting it isn’t worth it. We will never get justice. A significant portion of the judicial system doesn’t even believe that rape can happen if you’re dating your rapist. They don’t believe a husband can rape his wife.
And that’s it I’m not going into this any further with you as I am also a rape victim and can tell exactly where you’re going to take this argument and dismiss the way that me and all women who are victimized are dismissed and abused by the system itself.
The crime is no more difficult to prove than other crimes. That is not a significant factor in how few men ever face any actual punishment for their crimes. You’re wrong.
Why do you want to know if the kid screamed “no” or not? Is molesting a child, raping a child less bad to you if the child isn’t kicking and screaming? There’s literally no other reason you would ask that question, not one single alternative explanation. I’m not going to even dignify that question with an answer. Get help.
Calm down. If you don’t want to answer if she was willing or not, just say that. I didn’t ask about pedophilia being wrong or the legal definition of consent. Those are different discussions.
Do you think the difficulty in proving rape might be a factor in why police don’t take it as seriously as say, murder, vandalism, or theft?
They aren’t. Children cannot be willing to have sex with adults. Thats what consent is. So, again I’m not going to explain what pedophilia is to you and why it is wrong.
And no. Because I and many other women have first hand experiences of dismissal at the hands of law enforcement. I have met women whove been told “are you sure you didnt want it?” and turned away from police on the same night the incidents occured and denied rape kits being performed. I believe other women, I’ve experienced this kind of discrimination myself. I listen when women share the ways they are victimized. I know very few women who have never been secually assaulted in any way. Most of those women grew up in wealthy communities. I’ve never met a woman who hasn’t experienced misogyny both from friends and family as well as institutionally. We face misogyny in education, in employment, in Healthcare, in their homes, from their co-workers and so on. Misogynistic attitudes are so pervasive across society that even the wealthiest women I know still face misogynistic barriers all the time. Their abilities are dismissed, their intellect downplayed, their resilience and strengths ignored. So no, rape which is overwhelmingly a crime that women face is no harder to prosecute than any other crime. It is not taken seriously by law enforcement (overwhelmingly male profession) because law enforcement do not afford it precedence and urgency at the same levels they do for other crimes. The very fact that you are here dismissing the experiences of women is misogynistic. You’re perpetuating the exact same beliefs that lead to victims of rape not being believed when they come forward.
Those crimes (and most crimes in general) also rely heavily on eye witness testimony, which rape also does. And yet those things never run into endless debates about whether what they’re doing is right or wrong, and they’re responded to very seriously by law enforcement. Those things carry serious penalties for conviction. Whereas rape is unlikely to ever result in conviction, and when it does rapists pretty much get to walk free after a year or two and at best with 5 years on a registry. We live in a society where men can be rapists and return to function in society. Sometimes without even doing time. Rapists are abundant throughout all levels of our society. Rape victims face significantly more pushback in employment, in the media, in the legal system, and from their communities for reporting offenses committed against them than rapists do for committing those offenses.
So what word would you use to describe if they are forced vs. choosing? That’s what I’m referring to. It has nothing to do with the law. It seems you’re really focused on the legal definitions, which change depending on the jurisdiction.
I don’t agree with that, but I’m also not a criminal justice expert. It seems to me that investigating rape requires actual… investigation. People need to ask questions and learn about very specific relationships in order to paint a clear picture of what’s going on. Not always, but if it’s easy to find evidence then it’s hard to avoid prosecution.
Perhaps private investigators would be better for proving rape allegations. They can scrounge up the evidence and present it to the public so the DA can file charges. I just don’t see an incentive for cops to play the role of investigators when they can just drive around and focus on more ‘obvious’ crimes.
When did I dismiss anyone’s experiences?
It depends. My car was broken into and I didn’t bother reporting it because I figured the cops wouldn’t do anything about it. Same goes for all my friends.
I can see how misogyny can be the reason for ignoring evidence and testimony. I was mostly curious what you thought prevented cops from seeking the evidence in the first place.
Hey, you think you are being reasonable. You are not. You are deliberately prodding someone who has been traumatised, with their trauma. You are inconsiderate and rude, and if you have empathy you will apologise to the lady for being such a dick.
If you want to have that discussion, have it with people who won’t be forced to re-live a horrible thing that happened to them. And ask if someone is willing to talk about it before just jumping in with your questions.
Lol, what? You’re hurling insults at me left and right while telling me I’m being inconsiderate and rude.
If they don’t want to answer, that’s completely fine. The question is still there for others who do.
I’m going to block you now. I don’t have to put up with this disrespect.
I pointed out what you are doing, politely but firmly. If you think that’s an insult, look to your own behaviour. Personally, I’d be pretty mortified to be a rape apologist too.
As to respect, show it to others and you’ll get it in return. You weren’t (and aren’t), so you don’t.
I’ll tell you what: you explain why you think mine is a bad take, and this guy is not a concern troll “jUsT aSkInG kWeScHuNs” and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt when I read your thoughts. Surprise me.
So you know, you’re not alone here. That guy and people like him can go get fucked.
Shut up incel.