One of Spez’s answers in the infamous Reddit AMA struck me
Two things happened at the same time: the LLM explosion put all Reddit data use at the forefront, and our continuing efforts to reign in costs…
I am beginning to think all they wanted to do was getting their share of the AI pie, since we know Reddit’s data is one of the major datasets for training conversetional models. But they are such a bunch of bumbling fools, as well as being chronically understaffed, the whole thing exploded in their face. At this stage their only chance if survival may well be to be bought out by OpenAI…
No, law says that if its not supposed to be used for training data it has to be Mashine readable that its not supposed to be used for that. And for scientific purposes its basically irrelevant. You can take to court whoever you want, that doesn’t change stuff.
What “law” says that? That’s not how copyright works at all. If you don’t have an explicit license to use content you don’t own, you can’t legally use it.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__44b.html
German law and that’s where many of the data mining companys are located.
Is there an English translation available? That’s a hell of a departure from international copyright agreements that I wasn’t aware of if it’s true.
Act on Copyright and Related Rights (Copyright Act) § 44b Text and Data Mining (1) Text and data mining is the automated analysis of single or multiple digital or digitized works in order to extract information from them, in particular about patterns, trends and correlations. (2) Reproductions of legally accessible works for text and data mining are permitted. The reproductions shall be deleted when they are no longer required for text and data mining. (3) Uses according to paragraph 2 sentence 1 are only permitted if the right holder has not reserved them. A reservation of use in the case of works accessible online shall only be effective if it is made in machine-readable form.
There is no official englisch Translation but DeepL does a good job to my knowledge. If you have further questions just ask, German law is very complicated and very depended on interpretation, its sometimes just barely understandable even for our lawyers…
Interesting. Do you have a link to the specifics of the law you are talking about?