• DigDoug@lemmy.world
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    The “Arch breaks all the time” people have obviously never used Arch.

    I’ve run Arch as a daily driver for the last 4 and a half years and haven’t had any issues. I’ve tried Pop_OS twice in that time and had install-breaking issues within a week in both cases.

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      I used arch for 1.5 years and it did break a lot. Though I did use nvidia, so it was to be expected.

      Switched to Nixos yesterday because it was kind of anxiety-inducing knowing my main computer was sitting on a time bomb that only got worse as time went on, as I toyed with the system more and more

      Absolutely loved arch though, and I hope I’ll love nix as well

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        Literally switched off nix today because of a few mandatory (for me) packages were broken and I already regret it. Nix is such an awesome is and its impossible to break. Unlike Debian that fucked itself because rfkill wasint installed and that borked my networking on my PC. Couldn’t start my nic or anything and stayed up til 2 am trying to fix til I said fuck it and re-installed. Switching back to nix tomorrow!

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      🔥 🔥 🔥

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      YMMV

      I run Manjaro with KDE on X11… I use a lot of mouse gestures, so I can’t sit with Wayland.

      • I found the SYSTEM is extremely stable for ME. It is important to say this every time…

      • I find KDE is often less stable… I had at least 2 issues I couldn’t explain/understand and just fixed with restoring contents of .config from snapshots.

      This is one area where Manjaro ‘held back’ and did actually save us from a lot of the bleeding edge (5.26 was a rough ride)… but that’s not an ‘Arch’ issue, that’s a ‘KDE’ issue.

      But the USER likes to tip the boat until it does a barrel roll, or sinks entirely… and this is mostly what divides the happy users. Sometimes it’s just basic hardware, sometimes it’s the USER habits/modus operandi.

      So we have Snapshots, and we have rsync backups to a mounted drive… Then it matters not - a quick restart fixes most issues, and a reinstall takes only 6 minutes with no data lost -> in backups.

      That’s stable enough for me.

      BTW, I use AUR quite a lot - and it never actually caused me an issue, other than some stuff needing rebuilds.

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    the subtle difference is that distros like Pop try hard to aim at home computer normie users or new to Linux, Arch doesn’t. 99% of Arch fault cases are also user’s fault.

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    Funny but my arch doesn’t break at all. I think users probably break it because they are learning, and that’s not really the fault of arch. :)

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      I’ve been using Arch for years and not once has an update “broke” my system. If it does break someone’s system it’s likely because they messed with their libs without knowing what they were doing

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    What the heck are you guys doing? I’ve been using Arch for over 5 years on many different computers and an update has never broken my system. I was even impressed that I was able to update my desktop with NVIDIA graphics after 6 months of it being unplugged.

    Are you sure you installed the system correctly at all?

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    If you keep your Arch Linux system updated it shouldn’t break. I have been using Arch as my daily driver for close to a year now, and have been updating it at least weekly. The times that it did break for me (which is only 1-2 times), it didn’t break because of an update, but because of my stupidness.

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    I’ll take rolling updates over twice a year major release upgrades any day. My experience with Centos and Ubuntu was that anytime I needed to upgrade the OS, I had to spend a few hours fixing random stuff. Never had a problem with Arch that I couldn’t fix.

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    WELL ACKTCHUALLY…

    But jokes aside: How do you people break your Arch system so often? I’m on Arch since 2012 or so and it never really broke for me. Also, anyone who can read will be able to fix the ~1 time a year required manual intervention.

    Arch is DIY, so you’re supposed to know how to fix it.

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      I wonder the same. I can only guess but probably that they don’t update the whole system when installing new stuff.

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    After two weeks on arch, nvidia driver updates have broken shit twice already.

    But that’s the arch way and I chose the arch way.

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        I had it screw my system so hard it didn’t boot and I had to use the installer to uninstall the driver and boot with the generic one. A couple days later it broke steam and the advice on the arch forums was to downgrade, which I did (to a version before the one that didn’t let me boot).

        Now here I am, with an nvidia driver that’s intentionally outdated because the current version is broken. Just like on windows.

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      I always thought it might be hardware related. So far i have always bought AMD cards and had no issues.

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      I’ve definitely seen stuff break because of an update to arch. there was an issue a while back where KDE plasma and xorg together would cause taskbar icons to be absolutely massive. a subsequent update fixed that.

      the thing is, if my gaming PC is unusable, it’s not a big deal cause I don’t need it for anything. that’s why I run arch on it

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        Interesting. I’ve been running Arch/KDE for years and never saw that bug. I use Arch on almost everything.

        Steam Deck comes with kinda-Arch, I use Arch for work now, I use it on my gaming PC. The only thing that doesn’t run it is my home server because it sits in a corner and doesn’t need bleeding edge updates or the AUR.

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    well, you don’t complain when your hammer does a shit job at driving a screw. (well, maybe you do, but thats on you)

    One is consumer focused,
    the other is bleeding edge.

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    I have yet to experience a breaking change in about 5 years with arch as my daily driver. The only “critical” thing that broke was the ms-teams flatpak app right before a meeting :D The reason was probably the shitty app itself and not arch though.

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      I love Ubuntu. It’s by far the most popular distro and that comes with the very helpful perk of it being easier to find support. More users means more people who can answer your questions. It means more people who might fix some issue that annoys you. And all the while, it is a solid and easy to use distro.

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      Ubuntu has some nice properties like predictable LTS schedules and a large community, but snap is making it really hard to tolerate ubuntu these days.