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how about the terms ‘ethnic cleansing,’ ‘genocide’ ?
I’m quite partial to ‘crimes against humanity’
That is far more accurate than the former 2 terms.
‘slaughtering innocent civilians’
1% of Gaza, 0.004% of all Palestinians. An awful tragedy and must be stopped. I could be convinced otherwise but that doesn’t sound like genocide or ethnic cleansing. It sounds like 150 times fewer civilian casualties than the Iraq war, proportionate to the population.
I’ll go ahead and type what they mean.
NRPI - No Real Person Involved
It’s the most disgusting but most honest corporate term I have ever seen. Palestinians aren’t real to these people. They are clumped together into “casualties” and maybe, if they are lucky, “civilian casualties”. How many “non-real person” deaths does it take to force people to acknowledge this genocide?
Watching an MSF volunteer doctor describe WCNSF while the interviewer sat mute and emotionless was telling.
There’s an acronym that’s unique to the Gaza Strip, it’s WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family - and it’s not used infrequently
She almost broke down mid sentence, the host was ready to move on to the next segment piece of the broadcast…
Multiple doctors have been vocal about this disgusting new acronym.
History is not going to look at Israel well. They done fucked up bad and it’s gonna catch up to them.
I’m more worried about the support of the US and Germany for these Neue Nazis.
Bombs dropped from thousands of feet and artillery shells lofted into Gaza from kilometers away result in death and destruction on a massive scale, but it is carried out remotely. The deadly results are unseen by those who caused them and the source unseen by those [who] suffer and die.
It’s a different kind of event and is described differently as ‘intensive,’ ‘unrelenting,’ and ‘punishing,’ raining death and destruction on one of the most densely populated places on earth…They are different stories, and we have tried to describe both accurately and vividly.
It’s not “murderous” if it’s done from far away, apparently. Hitler didn’t personally see the Jews he sent to the death camps so he wasn’t “murderous” he was just “unrelenting” and “intensive.” Aww he was just a hard worker then, bless his cotton socks.
Why do people keep calling revenge “defense”?
Israel had a chance to defend itself. It failed horribly. Now it gets to massacre civilians?
What the fuck?
It’s like when the Nazis were attacked by the French Resistance in Occupied France and then went to some village and killed 10 random villagers for each dead German as reprisal.
The main difference here is that the total ratio is already pass the 20-to-1 mark and 10-to-1 is the ratio of Palestinian children murdered by the Israel military for each Israeli murdered by Hamas.
I call it racism
There have been more civilians killed in the latest atrocities by the Israelis in Gaza in only three months than the number of all Ukrainian civilians dead in almost 2 years. but they haven’t spared one bad word of the dictionary in describing Putin’s war in Ukraine while banning their journalists from describing Israel’s atrocities as brutal.
If this isn’t racism and viewing one race more worthy of humanity and empathy than another, than I don’t know what it could be, cause maybe we need a better word to describe both "racism + hypocrisy "
Not merelly racism, but the cold, extreme, violent kind of racism practiced by the Nazis.
Even the KKK in a country of 350 million people did not manage to murder so many of those they deemed “lesser” in decades as the Israelis are doing to those they call “human animals” in a few months.
I did not at all thought like this when all this started, but by now all I see is the disgusting parallel with how the Nazis thought and, worse, how they acted, and can only conclude that those at this point excusing, whitewashing or even supporting the actions of the State Of Israel are Nazi-lovers.
At this point this shit has transcended the racism of Appartheid and the “mild” style of Fascism in places like Italy, and has reached the kind of ultra-racist violent Fascism of the Nazis.
That’s 1.1% of Gaza’s population killed in just 3 month!
Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.
Let that sink in.
I think worse is all the killings happening that barely get reported at all.
Sudan? Hundreds of thousands of deaths. Bunch of black people killing other black people. No clicks or views in that. Ongoing, incidentally.
Jews and Muslims killing each other? Everyone seems to love picking a side there.
I agree. The Western world could actually help innocent people in these regions, but have convinced themselves that “browns need to solve their own problems.”
“But Hamas” - Israel
Ukraine doesn’t use human shield tactics, and Ukraine population density is like 10 times less than Palestine’s. So that might explain some of it. But the wars are completely different in many other ways as well. In Ukraine there are clear front lines, and Ukraine has been successful in not letting Russia completely screw over every part of their country, at a huge cost in soldier deaths. The cities where Russia did invade are shot to hell and civilian massacre figures are similar to Gaza.
If we speak about morality, Russia was not threatened by Ukraine, whereas Israel is constantly being threatened by Hamas and many of its neighbors. Ukraine did not start the war, Russia did in 2014. Hamas started the war against Israel.
Also, Hamas is not reporting how many of those 22,600 were combatants. It’s certainly not all of them, but is certainly more than 0.
We’re gonna find more than that died due to the nightmarish health and sanitation conditions caused by. IDF bombing hospitals, if what I’ve heard about the outbreak of dysentery and hepatitis is right.
Dunno how you calculated that, but if the 22600 figure is correct, it’s 2.8%. Gaza population is currently 800,636 (edit I guess this is could be an estimate, not an exact figure). Still growing even with this war, apparently.edit2 <= junk figures based on shit source I guess.Against Palestine population it’s 0.4%.
Does Hamas report itself how many of its soldiers are in that 22600, or is it claiming that all of these fatalities are actual civilians?
The 22,600 figure is most likely a severe underestimate of the people murdered by occupation forces in Gaza (and elsewhere, because they’ve been murdering people in the West Bank and Lebanon as well). I shared this in another comment but The Lancet published this which determined there was no evidence that the Gaza Ministry of Health is inflating these statistics, if anything they are being under reported.
As for how many are “actual civilians” the way that is being reported currently heavily favors the narrative of the occupation because the assumption is simply that all males over the age of 13 are combatants, and even using this absurd framing around 61% of those killed are women and children. The occupation forces have proportionately killed more journalists and UN aid workers than in any other conflict in recent history.
History will judge Israel and its supporters harshly.
As for how many are “actual civilians” the way that is being reported currently heavily favors the narrative of the occupation because the assumption is simply that all males over the age of 13 are combatants, and even using this absurd framing around 61% of those killed are women and children. The occupation forces have proportionately killed more journalists and UN aid workers than in any other conflict in recent history.
Sure, perhaps, but the number of Hamas deaths is certainly higher than 0. Would be interesting to know the actual number, however impossible such a figure is to get in this situation.
History will judge Israel and its supporters harshly.
Eh. We’ll see.
It’s 2 million according to this: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/
Ok, my source was perhaps fucked.
1.1% is about the same as Bucha.
If that doesn’t merit the terms “murderous” and “brutal,” what in hell does??? I do agree that both terms are a bit too lenient and lighthearted for what they are actually doing. But, I’m sure the next generation of Palestinians won’t be already amassing arms in anticipation of a bloody retaliation necessitating further non-“murderous” responses from Israel in the future. Right?
Big shoutout to to the IDF for killing the entire family of this 12 year old girl, and blowing her leg off in an airstrike.
And then when she was in the hospital the IDF shot at the hospital and blew her head off with a tank shell.
The one that Genocide Joe just bypassed congress for to send more to israel.
Not brutal though.
I can kinda get it not being “murderous”. When civilians are killed while in the middle of a war, it’s not considered murder, it’s considered a war crime. It’s a technicality, but that’s how words work.
But I’m not sure how you can say it isn’t brutal. Of course it’s brutal.
I haven’t read this, but yeah… War is brutal by nature, so to call it anything else is a flat out lie
Oh, really?
Semantics. It’s genocide then. Or some other more technical term. There’s a word for it, who cares? Everyone knows what we mean. And that’s the point of words. To covey a meaning from one mind to another.
If you want to play the semantics game and abolish in-context definitions of words, then abolish all slang and idioms too.
it’s only murder if it’s a bunch of crows, silly.
CBC are toadying sycophants, this surprises nobody. I don’t even know why people pay attention to them, they’re irrelevant.
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They don’t have to be. Zionist Christians are just as unhinged and racist.
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