• SpicyAnt@mander.xyz
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    10 months ago

    The actual title of the linked article is: Leaked German military documents laid out a doomsday scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine then invades Europe

    The article explicitly states:

    The documents are not a prediction but part of worst-case-scenario planning, a common exercise within militaries. A German official called the scenario “extremely unlikely.”

    So I don’t think that the title of this post is fair. Russia could go to war with NATO in 2024, and you don’t need a leaked document to tell you that. But there is nothing in this article that makes this possibility seem any more or less likely.

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      The likelihood of Russia going to war with a NATO country is about as likely as Russia launching a nuclear strike on Ukraine.

      It’s not impossible but so very improbable.

      But in all seriousness this is such a huge failure of our media to resort to scaremongering instead of staring the facts.

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        But in all seriousness this is such a huge failure of our media to resort to scaremongering instead of staring the facts.

        I agree.

        But in this case that is not what is happening… The linked article does not make the claim that is present in the title of this post at all!

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      This headline is the one that loads in Google. Business Insider has changed it since then.

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        I see - thank you for adding that context, I think that this title change is in itself quite interesting… Because then they did intend to use a sensationalist title, and only changed it later.

        I have double-checked out of curiosity and I do see that your post’s title is the title indexed by google:

        I am sorry for jumping into the assumption that you had changed the title yourself.

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      Many of the republicans I’ve interacted with “love” WW2 history and it’s sadly funny to me that they should know the events leading up to the war and the policy of appeasement failing to achieve its goals, but they continue to regurgitate Fox News appeasement talking points at me.

      It highlights the problem of cognitive dissonance lmao

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        They love the glorification and romanticization of WW2, not the history leading up to it. They are warhawks who want to pad their pockets with military industrial complex money at every turn.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The documents, produced by Germany’s Defense Ministry, imagine a situation in which Russia launches a massive spring 2024 offensive to take advantage of waning Western support.

    The German documents imagine Russia turning its sights on NATO members in Eastern Europe, with it seeking to destabilize its enemies through cyberattacks and inciting internal chaos in the Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia.

    A German Defense Ministry spokesperson told Bild: “Considering different scenarios, even if they are extremely unlikely, is part of everyday military business, especially training.”

    But Putin in December denied US President Joe Biden’s claims Russia could go to war with NATO, describing them as “complete nonsense.”

    European leaders and officials have long sounded the alarm about renewed Russian aggression against other parts of Europe if it wins in Ukraine.

    Jacek Siewiera, Poland’s security minister, said in December that an attack could come in as little as three years and would likely target NATO’s eastern flank.


    The original article contains 451 words, the summary contains 157 words. Saved 65%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!