Edit: just to be clear in case you are genuinely uninformed, a good starting point for understanding why shit goes down in Gaza right now and why Israel is wrong is as simple as reading the Wikipedia page for example. It did not start with October 7.
Agreed. However just so you understand, we have two different things here. One thing happened in the past and concluded. We got knowledge of it after the fact. It’s well documented and remembered.
The other one started happening right around the previous one concluded, and is happening right now. We have the awareness of it, but the beholders are largely powerless to stop it, while the powers that could stop it put more fuel on the fire instead or look the other way.
Edit: let’s also take OP’s opening statement apart. “As someone from Germany”. Okay? That makes them some sort of expert on the topic? Are they trying to appeal to authority? Or is this a form of gatekeeping, that if something is not as bad as the Holocaust was, then it can’t be bad or genocide?
The beginning of the ‘Final Solution’ was in June of 1941, and began with the death squads of the Einsatzgruppen murduring Jews as part of Operation Barbarossa.
Babi Yar happened on September 29th and 30th, 1941 - only about 4 months into the Final Solution. Germans put posters up in Kyiv, saying that any Jews who didn’t show up to be relocated would be shot. They took the crowd of 33k people to a ravine, herded them forwards and machine gunned them all down.
Is the Holocaust really the most apt historical comparison? Yes, the Holocaust is in the past, while this is ongoing. But the early days of the Holocaust were incredibly bloody; the massacres didn’t ramp up slowly once the killings commenced.
It is the most apt comparison, since the Holocaust mostly happened to jews, and now the descendants of them are doing what was done to them: ethnic cleansing.
Are they trying to appeal to authority? Or is this a form of gatekeeping, that if something is not as bad as the Holocaust was, then it can’t be bad or genocide?
We have heard the bullshit comparison over and over agin. Abbas made it before the attack started. This war… Call it bad, call it brutal, but don’t call it “holocaust” just to impress others or because it’s a fancy word or because it makes you feel betzer or for whatever reason…
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Edit: just to be clear in case you are genuinely uninformed, a good starting point for understanding why shit goes down in Gaza right now and why Israel is wrong is as simple as reading the Wikipedia page for example. It did not start with October 7.
This is not about a “different” point of view.
Two things can both be bad without being equally bad.
The war has been terrible. But do you really think it’s been as bad as Treblinka or Babi Yar?
Agreed. However just so you understand, we have two different things here. One thing happened in the past and concluded. We got knowledge of it after the fact. It’s well documented and remembered.
The other one started happening right around the previous one concluded, and is happening right now. We have the awareness of it, but the beholders are largely powerless to stop it, while the powers that could stop it put more fuel on the fire instead or look the other way.
Edit: let’s also take OP’s opening statement apart. “As someone from Germany”. Okay? That makes them some sort of expert on the topic? Are they trying to appeal to authority? Or is this a form of gatekeeping, that if something is not as bad as the Holocaust was, then it can’t be bad or genocide?
The beginning of the ‘Final Solution’ was in June of 1941, and began with the death squads of the Einsatzgruppen murduring Jews as part of Operation Barbarossa.
The commander of Einsatzkommando 3 submitted a fairly detailed report of his squad’s daily murder count by location. Through November 25th of that year, his squad alone murdered 57,338 Jewish men, 48,592 Jewish women, and 29,461 Jewish children.
Babi Yar happened on September 29th and 30th, 1941 - only about 4 months into the Final Solution. Germans put posters up in Kyiv, saying that any Jews who didn’t show up to be relocated would be shot. They took the crowd of 33k people to a ravine, herded them forwards and machine gunned them all down.
Is the Holocaust really the most apt historical comparison? Yes, the Holocaust is in the past, while this is ongoing. But the early days of the Holocaust were incredibly bloody; the massacres didn’t ramp up slowly once the killings commenced.
It is the most apt comparison, since the Holocaust mostly happened to jews, and now the descendants of them are doing what was done to them: ethnic cleansing.
We have heard the bullshit comparison over and over agin. Abbas made it before the attack started. This war… Call it bad, call it brutal, but don’t call it “holocaust” just to impress others or because it’s a fancy word or because it makes you feel betzer or for whatever reason…
Here is one more example why especially Germany does also not see “the time before” as a holocaust and thinks that the comparison is bullshit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66741336