• Serdan@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      I have this theory that people who complain about everyone being called nazis, have themselves been called a nazi.

      Why do people call you a nazi, hmm?

      • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        1 year ago

        That’s literally never happened, so I can’t answer. I’m basically a Marxist, though I’m not especially attached to that as an identity.

            • Serdan@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              17
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’ve made you aware that claiming the word “nazi” doesn’t mean anything anymore is a thing nazis do.

              Do with that what you will.

              • jerdle_lemmy@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                11
                ·
                1 year ago

                The word “Nazi” and especially “fascist” have been diluted into “bigot” at best and “person I disagree with” at worst. The right are just as bad with “communist” and “socialist”, although with the difference that socialism is a perfectly decent ideology, and even communism isn’t as bad as fascism.

              • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                No, I’m fine with that definition, that’s a sane use of the term. Part of me thinks we’d be better off reserving “nazi” for those who openly align themselves with the historical group and just use the descriptor “ultranationalist” for modern instances of ultranationalism. Might reduce equivocation.

                • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  10
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I think the problem there is that a shit load of people are so uneducated that they don’t associate nationalism with the nazis, they only associate the holocaust as the bad thing they did and really don’t understand that ultranationalist ideology will lead to a repeat of what occurred over and over again. Thus it becomes much easier to just say nazi when referring to these ultranationalists even though it’s technically incorrect when the ultranationalism they support is actually polish, or american, or fucking italian, idk etc etc etc. They’re all have pretty much the same goals just in a different set of completely made up lines on a map.

      • dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        27
        ·
        1 year ago

        So you admit that Antifa are as Nazis like Maga are? Or are rightoids worse for some arbitrary reason again?

        • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          22
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Antifa are not ultranationalists. The vast majority are anarchists and communists, which are internationalist ideologies. Literally the polar opposite.

        • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          9
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          You could call them an authoritarian paramilitary group, but they’re not nazis. That doesn’t automatically make them good, it’s just that nazism is a specific political ideology.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’ve yet to meet an anarchist following anything like a coherent ideology in that respect. They all seem very eager to impose themselves on others. I suppose one guy took a more academic position, but still seemed to idolise violence. Maybe the authority is decentralised, but frequently wielded as explicit force. Not far from libertarianism in that regard. Doesn’t appeal.

                • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Cluster munitions, for all I care. What’s that got to do with anything? I was explaining my use of the word authoritarian. I’d make them illegal, if I were in a position to do so. But my place in society is installing irrigation and water management systems, I have to focus on that.

                  • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    [reposting this comment, last one apparently never made it over to lemmy.world]

                    What’s that got to do with anything?

                    Stopping nazi rallies is the main thing antifa does. You seem to oppose them doing it.

                    I’d make them illegal, if I were in a position to do so

                    But you’re not. None of us are. So that leaves what other options?

    • supamanc@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      What a pointless question though. Obviously in the context ‘Nazi’ means what it means NOW.

      ‘Peadophiles should be locked up’ ‘ah but what if the definition of Peadophile changes to incorporate anyone who has sex??’

        • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Yes, in fact I’m calling for the centrally-organised, systematic eradication of pancakes from the breakfast menu. That’s what I mean when I say I like waffles.

          • prole@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            The fact that you people can’t see how distasteful it is to compare the fucking Nazis to breakfast foods in a cute way, says everything anyone needs to know about you.

            • jerdle_lemmy@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Comparing mere assholes to Nazis is antisemitic, much less comparing anyone who disagrees with you to Nazis.

              • prole@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                My guy, you have no idea how old I am.

                Weather into what? If you’re trying to suggest the old, “you’ll get more conservative as you get older and start paying taxes,” then I can just stop you right there because it’s been several decades now, and I’m only going in the opposite direction. The last few years have pretty much radicalized me against capitalism, and pushed me further left than I’ve been my entire adult life.

                But any day now, right?

                If that wasn’t what you meant, then you can disregard.

                • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Not what I meant - I’ve also become more left-wing with age. Particularly with regard to class stratification. But I also put a lot more effort into getting along with people, at least in real life.

                  • prole@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Not really sure what you meant then. I don’t think I’ll ever think it’s OK to compare the holocaust to removing a breakfast item from the menu.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              No idea, I don’t use 4chan. It can produce funny content, but I don’t think I could stand to wade through the shit. It’s a legacy username, it’s mine and I cherish it.

      • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yes, it didn’t take long for somebody to accuse me of being a literal nazi. Those are odd people, though. Don’t tend to meet them in the real world, only on the internet.