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      If your opposed to calls to violence against those that are trying to take away trans rights that’s fine. I’m just curious about calling authoritarianism.

      In calling for violence against fascists…who’s authority are we upholding?

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        Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

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          Wait… I’m sorry I have to respond again because this really just hit me. Did you really use GERMANY as an example of why you SHOULD NOT stand up to facisim with violence? GERMANY???

          How did letting the facisim play out for ya there champ?

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          I wouldn’t be so proudly proclaiming “I’m German” as if that gives you automatic and universal knowledge, or authority, if you’d like, on, well, anything, if I were you, instead I’d get out of the way, humble myself, and go study some history.

          “Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.” -Adolf Hitler

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            Oi, can you perhaps not ask for humility and then condescendingly lecture other people about the history of their Nations? Thanks.

            I bet you know about the armed conflicts in the streets of Germany before the Nazis were elected into power and the role of the SA, right? And you know that what’s was implied here was that the Weimarer Republik tried to “reign in” the Nazis instead of opposing them openly, especially the catholic Zentrum party. And you know that behind the war-like rhetoric of Hitler there is usually a kernel of political nature, and his warmongering style is identical if he talks about real armed conflict or political stuff, right?

            You know all that so you can lecture Germans on German history, right?.. Right?

            Stepping out of the way is the exact opposite of what should be done. This may never happen ever again.

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            having interacted with an austrian, whom i refer to as german on the regular (it’s an ongoing joke) It’s almost like that one time that one thing happened is a part of every german/austrias personality now. That explicit kind of speech is so heavily regulated that even merely mentioning it i’ve been yelled at before.

            It’s kind of like living somewhere where a mass shooting has happened, that you were tangentially related to. Nobody talks about it. But also everybody knows about it.

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          Sure. That’s fine. I’m questioning how you call that authoritism. Would you call the black panthers this? After all they certainly did some violent things during the civil rights movements.

          What about the IRA?

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          Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

          Yeah, and people with guns fucking stopped you.

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          it’s a paradox by nature, either you let them take rule, and then you get a german history moment, or you forcibly oust them, which is also kind of tangential to said german history moment.

          I suppose it’s a question of which you value more, and how many of your people are ok with it.