Entirely valid and I agree that continual growth is right at the heart of most of our problems. I guess most of my frustration comes from the fact we’ve had at least 40 years of warning, 20 more years of proper, severe warning and promises for action and now that we’re seeing day in, day out that all the warnings were right, we’re still not moving with any real purpose. I genuinely thought that COVID would show us what we need to do and how we could do it but nope, slipped right back into business as usual.

That wasn’t always a thing. This is a new and rapidly evolving area with issues that will be solved. Hell, battery chemistry is changing rapidly already. ICE cars have been death traps for most of their life and are still at higher risk of going in flames and just as violently, case in point the car carrier that went on fire that everyone just knew was an EV, wasn’t. It was a shitty old ice. Luton Airport too. Everyone knew that was a. EV. Was a shitty old diesel and that car park suffered serious structural damage because of it. In addition the AA claim that the majority of ICE fire are because of the 12v battery. None of this is new it’s just different.

We don’t have time to perfect and mature the tech though. That was 40 years ago. Now it’s whatever fucking works that isn’t fossil fuels and burning of them. It’s a damn sight safer than an ICE which is actually carrying extremely combustible liquids in it too. It’s not perfect but it’s better and this kind of " we have to hold off" is effectively supporting the status quo which is fuckig everything up as it is.

I had a couple of issues but that might be due to using Portainer. Currently using immich go to upload the pictures from the old immich install. As long as it pulls the albums over then all good as the pictures are all flowing in nicely.

To add to the other commenter that’s already replied. Those three names, whether you know them or not, are very big in China and th Asian Pacific. They’re making entrance into the middle east and eastern Europe along with lucrative markets like Norway. Make no mistake, they are expanding out from china rapidly. BYD is the best example I have to hand, 12 show rooms in the UK in 2023 with an aim for approx 70 by the end off 2024.

Look at the Wikipedia pages on those three brands for more info, they’re not small companies alone new ones, just relatively new to EVs. But given the date of Ford and Stellantis and the other OEMs, I don’t think existing for a while os a good yardstick to go by. Hell, look at the absolute shit show of Toyota in this arena l.

The 3 was refreshed earlier in the year and the Y has it’s refresh incoming. They also update the cars all the time just not always stylistically. There’s not an “all new for 20xx” launch or the like that you get from others. The X and S now compared to say the 2016 are markedly different.

Also Nissan had the leef about 10 years ago so they’re not a new entrant and only have currently two products and I wouldn’t say they’re indistinguishable. Also I wouldn’t say that about the Seal, it’s clearly an EV and BYD is unashamed about that.

The existing OEMs need to get their act together. If you thought Tesla was hurting them, wait until BYD, NIO and Geely turn up in numbers.

I saw a comment yesterday that has stuck with me and it was that CEOs jobs are ripe for replacement by AI and I really can’t fault it. It won’t happen but I kind of wish it would.

What, the whole Joe Rogan bullshit didn’t tip you over but this did?

Tidal if you want to pay. YouTube Music with Revanced if you don’t.

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Because tribalism! If you don’t think like me then you’re the enemy and must be told that you are. Classic reddit lemmy.

You inferred.

This is what I do when it and about.

That’s because it’s not a line, it’s a circle. Go off one side, come back on the other.

Out!

That’s a lot of anger directed at someone you don’t know about something you don’t own by a company you down use owned by someone who you hate who doesn’t know you exist. You’re going off at a random person on the Internet because what, I didn’t immediately side with you? And that warrants this attitude you’re throwing out? Not tribalism at all. Continually confirming how right you are isn’t an echo chamber.

I’m out. People like you were the worst thing about reddit and you’ve brought your toxicity here. Good job.

Not seen anything from owners stating anything like that from EU or Chinese models. I’m not saying it’s not possible just it’s not being widely reported by credible organisations or by end users as far as I can see.

I’ve no horse in this race btw, I just hate echo chambers and rampant tribalism. EV are still a hotbed of both.

Nah, that’s all internet myths these days. The first 6 motnsh, maybe 8 from the Fremonth factory has panel issues. That’s not a thing from the Chinese or EU fa Tory and mostly gone in the Fremont ones.

Range is the same issue as your petrol one. No one gets that range as it’s under “ideal” conditions. If you want to be mad, be mad at your EPA and how they test and rate all cars.

An hour?? You lot must have proper rubbish infrastructure. Longest I’ve “waited” was 24 minutes. I in fact had to nip back and move my car as after a pit stop at the toilet and waiting to get a drink and snack, the car was almost full and my other passengers still weren’t back.

Virtue signalers. Weirdly that’s what people who bought it because of him were called so I honestly have no idea who to believe.

Buy them, don’t buy them. No idea why this has to be such a big thing. He’s a bellend. So was jobs. So was Edison. So we’re most people you’ve heard of. That doesn’t mean the product isn’t good.

At this point if you buy anything you’re ostensibly supporting some dick. You just have to pick your battles and at the moment I couldn’t give a crap what he says on twitter as I don’t use it and can’t wait for it and Facebook to be killed off. Doesn’t mean they make crap products no one about buy.

Honestly, tribalism is the worst thing on Reddit and lemmy seems to be more and more infected each day

Said it before. Great cars sadly built in America. Chinese and European ones have no issues.