purely on the basis that they work elsewhere.

Do you mean working elsewhere, with elsewhere being other levels of government, or elsewhere being other countries?

Either way I disagree, but I want clarification first.

I’m rewatching it again, this time with my girlfriend because she hasn’t seen it yet. We’re currently 3/4 of the way through Matt Smith’s doctor.

So maybe this time he will grow on me.

And then you promptly split the vote, allowing a party ideologically furthest from you to dominate.

Ah, that would explain it. I checked out once Capaldi joined.

That must have been the old Doctor Who, because I don’t remember seeing an episode like that.

But that’s a very Doctor Who style plot line lol

but either one of two things is true:

It’s worse. It’s both, which is in part why third parties don’t ever work.

And the solution is election reform, not yelling “just vote for what you believe”. Because people just voting for what they believe causes spoiler candidates to spoil elections.

we’d probably see a third party in American politics…

No, we wouldn’t. There are still people who’s closest candidate is one of the two main parties.

By the time you knock a hole in the wall with your own body, you’re gonna be a bloody pulp.

(A very good piece of dystopia fiction)

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If they have the capital/loaned the capital, and have the willingness to, yes.

In a similar vein, anybody with information should reach out to the ACC:

https://accollective.noblogs.org/

They document and oust neo nazis/fascists.

If you can’t distinguish between the fascists and the every day people hoodwinked by them then we might as well just start gearing up for ACW

I can and do, which is why I use the term fascists/fascist supporters. The everyday people who have been hoodwinked are the supporters. Trump, Vance, DeSantis, etc are the outright fascists. If I wasn’t making that distinction I’d just call them all fascists and be done with it.

No sir. I’m not seeing that with “Nazi Flag at Trump Rally”

I misspoke on this part. I was thinking of the confederate flags being pared with trump flags/rallies.

CPAC isn’t even on the radar of the average voter.

I don’t think that particularly matters. If your party’s political ideology aligns well enough with neo nazis for them to have a seat at the table, you have a neo-nazi party. Just because they’re subtle about it doesn’t make the supporters innocent.

They’re engaged with it in a fearful way because that’s how Fox News gave it to them.

That’s the main mechanism of fascism. They can be unaware of it all they like, they’re still supporting fascism. You’re still hillbilly trash so to speak.

This is a third of our country. Alienating them plays into the hand of extremists.

Yeah, it’s a third of our country. And ignoring how they’re flirting with fascism also plays into the hands of the extremists. There is no winning in a situation like this. And so I’d rather be honest given that it’s a no win situation.

If playing nice with fascists/fascist supporters was a viable strategy, we wouldn’t be arguing about this.

Slightly different than what you’re asking, but in the same line of thought:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nazis-mingle-openly-cpac-spreading-antisemitic-conspiracy-theories-fin-rcna140335

You can also search “nazi flag at trump rally”, and get loads of pictures of people at his rallies carrying flags of hate. Just because they’re not necessarily allowed wearing clan hoods does it mean everything is a’ok.

As /u/halcyoncmdr explained, no, no he doesn’t. As usual its republicans blocking progress.

Yeah, I checked that off my bingo/drinking game as well

I know you’re joking, but if the U.S. does actually collapse, very few people on the planet will have the fortune of being unaware.

Predictably, it was a shit show. Trump was doing his normal routine of batshit crazy stupidity. Harris was level headed and sensible, minus the bit about the “most lethal army” and pro fracking stuff. It’s mind boggling to me that to think that it will sway votes. How could you possible look at these options and change your mind only after the debate? But at the same time I know it doesn’t matter, I know that there are still people who will somehow be swayed.

Fucking legends if they do