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  • “Maybe.”

    absolutely.

    3rd party voters don’t consider…

    neither do primary color voters.

    3rd party voters are ignoring…

    so are primary color voters.

    “with the system in place a vote for a third-party candidate is effectively an abstention.”

    no.

    they are probably not going to win an election, but actively voting is the opposite of abstaining.

    “It’s the desire to make a difference and effectively abstaining that seems incongruous.”

    they are making a difference by voting for what they believe in, for the policies they consider most impactful on their lives(aka “voting” in most countries).

    you see voting as an abstention even though it’s definitively the opposite of an abstention, implicitly based on consideration and values.

    they probably see voting differently, maybe as an extension of their political will, or a form of activism, or a civic duty to be performed honestly.

    I know I do.


  • “If a vote for the candidate you believe in results in your least preferred candidate getting ahead, shouldn’t you consider a compromise vote to get a candidate closer to your values in power?”

    sure, and they probably do.

    your statement implies that third party voters are politically illiterate and aren’t considering their vote, which doesn’t hold any water.

    do you think all Harris or Trump voters are carefully considering their options?

    many are voting according to a familiar primary color.

    from simple logic, third-party voters are likely more politically considerate than primary color voters.

    a lot of the arguments against third-party voting are arguments against voting in general.

    that is usually my problem, as it is here, with complaining about third-party voting.

    it is completely predicated on the assumption that 3rd party voters are making the “wrong” decision in some fundamental way that primary color voters are not, although the hypothetical flaws that could apply to a third- party voter already apply to primary color voters.

    If you don’t assume that the right to vote is “wrong” for people who don’t agree with you in the first place, then your complaints about third party voting fall apart.

    third party voters like a different candidate.

    and that’s good and they should vote for them if they want to.


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    whoa, no, this is not at all my experience. practically the opposite.

    very often queer people make self-deprecating jokes about their communities that are on their face insulting.

    this sounds like a good idea to me because I don’t think anybody would get it.

    it would be like that TV show or whatever who tells the truth, to tell the truth, that nobody ever wins because nobody ever knows when somebody else is lying.







  • i’ve been well aware of us electoral problems for a long time.

    I’m assuming your video is either about ranked choice voting or the electoral College?

    I am happy that Americans have finally learned about ranked choice voting this election cycle and are eagerly spreading the news, I really am.

    it is “idiotic extremism” to blame third party voters for systemic problems.

    you want third party voters to vote like you vote.

    That’s fine.

    but they don’t have to listen and them voting for Jill Stein or anybody else’s just as valid as them voting for kamala.

    it may not be as effective, or logical this election cycle, since Harris has already enacted so many third-party progressive policies, but everyone should vote for their preferred candidate.

    yup, FPTP videos.

    I am very glad Americans are finally paying attention to this part of electoral reform.

    you can track down gerrymandering, registration purges, and several other significant problems in the US electoral system that actually difference your elections.

    after you collect them all, it is glaringly obvious that third party voters, who vote for good candidates, unjustifiably receive the brunt of ire that should be focused on systemic electoral policies.

    voting is good.

    it is good that people are voting for third party candidates.

    it’s great that people are voting for Harris.

    voting is good.


  • “…doing nothing”

    voting is literally the political opposite of doing nothing.

    “your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust,”

    this quote is irrelevant; it is a wildly inaccurate analogy for actively voting.

    “Sometimes you have to abandon your principles to protect them.”

    pffffff hAHaha sorry Chamberlain, but especially in politics, self-righteous groveling submission isn’t as honorable or as effective as the fearful snakes hissing in your ear assure you it is.