you
you get it
all of this “marketplace of ideas” bullshit predicates on the alt-right and fascists cooperating and playing fair, when they historically have always taken advantage of any chance they’re given and then mocking those who wanted to give them a chance
like it’s 2023, I’d hoped that we’d have realized why giving the alt-right and fascists a seat at the table never fucking works out for anyone other than the alt-right and fascists
well congrats on being lucky so far
you can leave the instance if you don’t like it; this allows you to access the rest of the fediverse; saying “you’re blocked from the entire fediverse” is not a good reason to not defed because it’s fundamentally not true
how about that whole span of time that r/the_donald was a subreddit lmao
edit: it’s not censorship if you can easily move to another instance with little difficulty and just continue from there, with most of the same communities even
people like you just think someone telling them that they don’t want to hear you is the same as being suppressed
surprising how little some USAmericans know this
edit: like our Overton Window is so far right that even the Democrats would be conservatives in many countries ; if someone doesn’t comprehend the severity of this, they have little business talking about the alt-right
the marketplace of ideas means fuck all when it comes to people telling you that you shouldn’t be allowed to exist
tell me that you’re a white middle class guy who’s never faced marginization without teling me that you’re a white middle class guy who’s never faced marginalization
holy shit, how do I even begin to explain that you can’t just “ignore” Nazis and racists and transphobes and letting them keep their platform
you do understand that they hurt real fucking people, right???
didn’t know “some people shouldn’t have rights or the right to exist” is just an opinion
whatever, clown
considering that I’m definitely not the only kbin user on this thread, no?
and that “nonpolitical” thing, what does that mean?
What do we consider as so normal that believing in it or saying it is considered apolitical?
because the context here is that there are alt-right users on an instance and the instance is either doing a bad job of getting rid of them, or is completely fine with them being there
and maybe that’s apolitical to you, but not to a lot of minorities
Not really a fan of putting on shades so I don’t have to see the nazis in the nazi bar
just kick the nazis out
Like I’d hope that we wouldn’t follow in Reddit’s footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry
Defederating isn’t like being fucking censored or whatever; it’s people deciding that they don’t want to be around you
Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it’s fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry
yeah, like if anything else support it because actual talk of defederation might get the admins to get their house in order
and if not, then nobody’s gonna miss an alt-right haven anyway
In Beehaw’s case especially I saw a lot of people who came off more that they took being defederated personally or that they felt entitled to Beehaw’s communities than anything
like I still can’t understand why people found it so abhorrent that Beehaw temporarily defederated; they literally stated why and explicitly stated that it’s probably not permanent
like they made it clear, people just didn’t bother to read for some reason
I’m not blocking you; had you been replying to what I said?
also being blocked from an instance doesn’t mean you’re suddenly not able to use the Fediverse; it just means that that instance doesn’t want to associate with yours
this can be fixed by just moving to another instance, or (in this case) getting rid of the alt-right shit
Defederation isn’t an attack on free speech; it’s a group saying that they don’t want to interact with you; freedom of expression doesn’t mean everyone must listen
you’re leftist but aren’t considering the paradox of tolerance?
like, why? What is the reason you’re not supporting defederation?
I mean, being a minority, I can’t help but see that as a distinction without a difference; the right-wing, if not outright fascist, is definitely flirting with it and that already makes me want to distance myself
fucking wild to hear Beehaw being of a “fringe extreme ideology” for…
…deciding to defederate with really huge communities with lax registration requirements because they were overworked and didn’t have good enough mod tools (because the platform doesn’t) to deal with it?
Even saying that they’d consider refederating once those issues were solved?
In what world is this extreme, and in what world is this “the opposite of an instance that is amenable to right-wing people”? Like how could you even logically think that?
The example that introduced me to federation was like an instance getting overrun with Nazis, and everyone deciding to just cut that instance loose; let it float alone as “the Nazi instance” that nobody has to interact with.
I thought that stuff like bad actors and assholes was one of the main reasons for the idea of federation, really surprised how many people thought differently
Meta is a corporation with a really horrible track record
and even if they didn’t, it’s still a corporation; it only cares for profit
I have very negative opinions on them joining