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Create a level ground then. Beehaw never said they are a level ground, they are an instance that doesnt want rightoids arguing in bad faith, the same way exploding heads wouldnt want an army of lefties coming in and injecting themselves into every thread.

A level ground where people of whatever affiliation can converse is a great idea. Beehaw doesnt have to be that place

Your “right” to expression doesnt extend to forcing other people to listen to you.
I dont know why that seems to be such a common thought.

You have a “want” - in that you want to be able to say whatever you want to whoever you want.
Other people also have a “want” - to not have to see that shit when they are just chilling on the internet.

We find ourselves at a point where we are on a platform that allows problematic places to be excluded. People there can still say and do what they want, the majority just doesnt have to see or deal with it anymore.

No one is dictating what you can and cant do or say, you are free to do that.

What defederation does is create a place for people who dont care about that shit to exist without having to see it. By defederating at an instance level, it takes that burden away from the individual user and creates a place that they want to be at. If you dont want to be there thats fine.

Its only a problem with people who think like yourself because you want to push your views onto people who arent interested. You want your views to dictate how another community behaves. You dont get to dictate that though. You’re welcome to join if you want to follow their rules, if not find somewhere with rules that you agree with.

As for myself agreeing with beehaw, I interact with that instance regularly. I dont need an account there because I have accounts elsewhere that are federated with them. If those other accounts became defederated, id weigh up the pros and cons and create a local account if I wanted to continue the interaction.

This is a fundamental, core aspect of the fediverse. If being restricted from places that you arent welcome at is something you dont like, I sincerely think the fediverse is not for you. That said, I cant think of many places that are for people who want to push their views onto unwilling others, because the places that spruik that arent attractive to the people who are sick of that shit.

There are places for the type of content you want to engage with. There are even places that are halfway, where people from both sides of this divide meet and converse. The problem only exists when you want to bring that shit into places where it isnt welcome, and the fediverse has been designed from the ground up to alleviate that problem for the majority of people who arent interested.

I think people would be surprised at the amount of instances that have already been broadly defederated.

Its just that the beehaw defederation is the first “big” incident since broader adoption, and thats for very understandable reasons with a roadmap to refederation already in place.

The only people who get angry about an instance being defederated are the types who want to act in bad faith. They know if they join the instance they got defederated from they will be banned if they spruik the shit that got the instance defederated in the first place, so they are angry that no one wants to listen to their shit.

It sucks for legitimate users that get caught up, but if youre a good user willing to participate in good faith, just join another instance and carry on.

I dont see why defederation is seen as a sensitive topic.

Its a great feature, designed for specifically this purpose.

Over time people will migrate between instances and land where they fit. Some people want to be abrasive cunts, and they will land with the other abrasive cunts. Thats great, they have an instance they can do what they want on.

For the rest of us though, we dont want to see their bad faith articles and abrasiveness on our feeds. No one is being limited in their speech, but they might be limited in their reach. If they want to expand their reach, they can join a more broadly federated instance and ditch the bad faith arguments and abrasiveness.

Its the kids table at the dinner party. You can join the adults table if you behave in a way that is suitable for the adults, if not go back and play with the kids and everyone is happy.

“Official” is such a strange term and im truly looking forward to the end of the “migration” period.

I get that people want a similar experience to their reddit feed, but I dont understand why people see reddit affiliated communities as the best options.

At some point its better to just tear the bandaid off.

Hard disagree.

Tiktok is popular. Its hold very little value to lots of people though. Same thing with twitter.

For me, reddits value was from its popularity amongst a certain demographic, which was largely the techies. At this point enough techies have come over to the fediverse that so far its meeting or exceeding the reddit itch.

Id rather a community of 10,000 people who are mostly tech driven than a community of 10,000,000 with 10,000 techy types. Popular reddit posts had thousands of the same played out comments and comment chains languishing at the bottom of threads. Popular threads on the fediverse so far have people engaging in conversation without a collapsed thread of 4000 ignored posts at the bottom.

Popularity means nothing when its mostly people with nothing worthwhile to say except the same played out jokes and memes

Posts do get pushed through, its just been a period of heavily increased traffic the last week or so, and many instances have had to tame measures to stay online at all, which in many cases has broken or slowed down the propagation.

These are issues that will be resolved in time

Is it our property though?

Intellectually speaking yes, but legally speaking? Probably not. Chances are if its stored on their servers, it belongs to them.

Not familiar with the gamefaqs community, but the others probably have a fairly circular Venn diagram between those angsty teen boys and gamers. Especially 4Chan. Twitter lately has been embracing the alt-right that fosters those angsty teen boys as well.

Maybe in wrong, I dont know. From my personal experience at least, which is being a male thats played video games since before the turn of the century, I dont see any of the people I play games with or have played games with over the last few decades holding these types of views. That may just be down to who I chose to play games with though.

My wife doesnt play much anymore, but she used to get the whole “woah a grill in my game?” Thing, but it was usually harmless and didnt go much further than those initial comments.

I dont know if its actually still happening or its just an easy headline that appeals to peoples stereotypes.

Gamers is such a broad label that encompasses so many different demographics. Im sure there is a tiny, vocal, weird subset that is convinced that gaming is for men, but its certainly not representative of the gamer label as a whole.

A headline having a go at “gamers” is easy, because its not really representative of anyone in particular. I have no doubt that some angsty teenage boys have these opinions, but thats a small group within the gamer label.

People might find this link handy. It shows a list of the subs that have committed to the blackout and shows when they have gone private

https://reddark.untone.uk/

You’re on the Beehaw instance, like me, so you would be able to interact with that specific federated community at https://beehaw.org/c/stallmanwasright@lemmy.ml.

While true, this doesn’t tell the whole story.
I’m using kbin and can also interact with that specific community.

This is the beauty of the fediverse, as long as you (or your instance) aren’t a dick you can interact across the entire thing from your own instance

I’d use Lemmy sync in a heartbeat

Would be sorted out in minutes.
Everything posted/done on reddit is stored. If a mod/mod team goes rogue reddit removes the mods and hits the big “go back an hour” button, installs some new mods and most people wouldn’t even know something happened

I think the fracturing of communities will sort itself out with time.
Even within reddit there has always been multiple communities per niche before one floats to the top.
I think the main issue with that is reducing the barrier between instances so that its easier for people to find the large communities

I very much doubt there will be.
They have crunched the numbers, they know they can weather this storm.

At the end of the day there will still be natural growth of reddit via people hearing about it and just grabbing the official apps from stores. A lot of techy types will leave, but they haven’t been the driving force behind reddit for a long time.

Reddit will just start heading more towards influencer style content and less of the content that originally built the platform.

My guess is that influencer style content is more profitable and less hazardous for them to host anyway.

This is my understanding as well, after using a number of different instances over the last few months.

I believe this issue will mostly sort itself out in the future as the federated network becomes more “connected”

A new instance connecting to an existing one will have content from the established instance missing, but as time goes on that content becomes a smaller portion of the overall content.

I anticipate some development on this issue in the near future anyway, perhaps cached content that is able to be “pushed” to a requesting instance.

I expect some innovation in this regard in the next few months. Rexit will have a big short term influx to the fediverse that will die down, but hopefully some that hang around are the developer types who are being shafted by reddit.

The AMA was just an obligation. It was never going to change his or anyone elses mind.

He knows the reality. This change won’t kill reddit. It will make it more controllable though, at the sake of some of their more techy users. The truth is that its big enough that they don’t need those users anymore though. The people who do leave will be replaced by the natural growth of the site of people who simply download the official app from the various stores over the next few months.

The result will be a more TikTok/Tumblr/Twitter like experience. Less niche, more mainstream serving.