I’ve honestly never heard of Tildes til this post. As far as I can tell since there’s no API he’s just scraping html which is not ideal, but still it’s worth checking out. I love that developers are still determined to make 3rd party apps.
I wanted to check the code to see if hes actually mad enough to do it aaaand it’s closed source
If you know some Java, you may try to look into it with Jadx. It’s a Java decompiler with Android support, and can also export code an Android Studio project if you don’t like the built-in code viewer. It’s on GitHub.
That seems like a pretty bad platform to develop an app for then lol at least APIs try to maintain backwards-compatibility (and give you only the data you need in an easier format), I can’t imagine that being sustainable long-term.
I’m a long time RIF user myself and as much as it would be great to have a Lemmy version we have so much to choose from it literally doesn’t matter at all. You can tweak Connect to basically work similar to RIF if you want.
Please don’t hate on the dev or Tildes itself, it serves no purpose at all and we are better than that as a community.
I used rif for free for so many years I better have nothing to say other than “you go girl” or else I’d feel like a real butthole.
Isn’t that the place with the admin with a god complex?
many such cases
Just FYI, Tildes is run by one (1) dude with a full time job and a family. From what I read, the guy refers to himself as the God of Tildes or something to that effect which I think tells you everything you need to know about how it’s managed.
Don’t expect it to ever reach the popularity or capacity of Lemmy or Reddit.
I read that this was stated entirely as a joke, and I read that 2 months ago in the middle of people looking for pathetic excuses to not stop using reddit.
I thought Lemmy would have stopped propagating it without a source.
I thought Lemmy would have stopped propagating it without a source.
You must not be familiar with people then.
See this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/1840042
Isn’t Tildes the site responsible for the creation of Beehaw? As in a bunch of users had a disagreement with the admin and decided they would all leave Tildes and start their own place (with blackjack and hookers), eventually settling on Lemmy for the platform?
Their goal is not to be a Reddit alternative or to replace the fediverse. Maybe in the long run it will have a larger user base, but for now they want to remain on the smaller size. Which is fine, there is room for multiple websites. It’s a good thing everyone isn’t located in one source. Things can be across lemmy, mastodon, Kbin, tildes, squabbles, etc.
Being part of the fediverse is important to ever be able to challenge mega corporate social sites like Reddit, Twitter
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Is it even part of the Fediverse?
It’s not a federated platform.
The only federated Reddit alternatives are Lemmy and Kbin as far as I know. Would be cool if more implemented ActivityPub
Cool! Don’t care! Fuck Tildes. And I’m a longtime RIF user and Tildes alpha user. (And it’s still in alpha, years later…) It’s a weird ass place over there. Not too keen on their “private club” theme centered around the “God of Tildes” either.
While I prefer Lemmy more, I’m enjoying my time there.
Can you cite any examples of weird behavior centered around its admin? I don’t read Tildes enough to have noticed it, I guess.
I’m also a Tildes alpha user, and while I don’t go there very often, I’m pretty surprised to see all this hate. Never had any issues with the site operator myself, nor have I heard about any issues. Can you elaborate?
Yeah, the community is decent, their god administrator not so much.
Good to hear he’s still at it. Wouldn’t have blamed him if he took a break from everything after the last few months.
Still not had an invite to check out Tildes so not seen it, but wish him well.
Wtf is tildes?
Another reddit alternative https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145om2g/a_little_about_tildes/
Looks ok but I don’t think its federated
I think it was a good alternative, but it not being federated nor able to create communities makes it a bit lame. I really liked it, but it’s hard to find interesting use for it when it doesn’t let you have the spaces or topics that you want to cover other than the already defined ones.
Yeah the lack of federation is a deal breaker for me. Nothing stopping it from going the way of reddit.
It is a shame that this is now a reason on the table to avoid sites like this.
If you use a private website for your social media we just loop back to where we are right now in a few years. Even if it seems great now there will eventually be enshittification.
When someone asks me if I’m on facebook, I can say I’m on The Federation, has a nice ring to it
Good tip, sounds better than Fediverse to be honest.
Really hard to care about a niche social network like this if it isn’t federated, honestly. Far as I’m concerned it could go the exact same way as Hacker News or Reddit.
Any more info on what is meant by the Hacker News comment?
Some people (granted, I remember reading this on Reddit) consider Hacker News to be full of right wing chuds. I personally just found it to be pretty full of techbros and programmers who were weirdly up themselves the last few times I tried to use it. r/programmingcirclejerk was basically all Hacker News comments lol
I like HN for discovering new blogs, but the comments can be really weird and lots of people seemingly only read the headlines.
I like Hacker News for discussion about bleeding edge tech, but that’s about it. I don’t contribute anymore because I don’t see much point (plenty of high quality discussion by the time I get there).
There’s certainly weird comments, but I understand where they’re coming from and can usually tune out the stuff I dislike. Then again, I’m probably politically/philosophically closer to that group than I am to the people here (I consider myself a libertarian paternalist [i.e. the book nudge], so a little left of the US Libertarian Party). But I spend most of my time here because the topics are more varied and the discussion often feels more authentic.
What happened to Hacker News? It doesn’t appear to have changed, though I haven’t used it in years. It was always a bit too techbro for me.
Its still alive and well. Its generally less memey and focuses on a higher quality of discourse. Its a different environment that can still be fun but its definitely brainier. Nothing wrong with engaging intelligent people, it makes you smarter.
Same opinion I have of it, too techbro. Easier to avoid those circles on a federated site.
It’s literally the tech bro news site, though, by design. This criticism is ridiculous. YCombinator is the organization that funds so many Silicon Valley tech dreams.
It’s not a criticism. It just wasn’t to my taste.
Another great alternative to Reddit. It’s also a non-profit.
Replacement to Lemmy if Lemmy ever paywall the API
That’s the equivalence of saying if W3C added a pay wall to http. It can’t be done.
I mean, Google’s trying their hardest…
One of the many lemmy-like federated sites; I wonder if it lets you sign in with accounts hosted on the lemmy instances since those sites are federated with tildes. Apple mail lets you sign in with both outlook and gmail, and as I understand it, certain apps for Mastodon let you view Lemmy posts (I use Ice Cubes which does) since most of its instances are fedded with us but with a lot less functionality since this site doesn’t let you repost like mastodon does and mastodon only lets you upvote things
Edit: Apparently it’s not federated. Guess there’s nothing stopping it from just being another Hivemind-That-Must-Not-Be-Named in training.
Tildes is elitist. They don’t want the unwashed masses on their manicured lawn.
I think that’s an strong statement and overreaction on your part, but to that point mass adoption isn’t always a good thing.
I find that the content on Tildes are generally more respectful, thoughtful and higher quality. Much better signal to noise ratio. Lemmy does have quality stuff but there is also a lot more low quality / low effort content to wade through. Just look at the state of Showerthoughts / AskLemmy if you are looking for examples.
You just described elitism.
But is it though? By definition moderation and adminstration means a certain set of standard and rules to keep the community / site runs well. Tildes simply has their own set of standards that so far I think is working well.
Lemmy has mods too and there are plenty of powertripping drama. Does that make Lemmy elitist? Or less so simply because it allows shitposts and memes?
And the best part about Lemmy/Reddit is that I can look at that low effort content if I want (it’s a fun time waster) and ignore it if I don’t (I don’t sub to any large communities).
With Tildes, there’s fewer people so I have less to choose from.
And that’s totally fine. I have both and use both on a daily basis.
I just find it strange that people shitting on Tildes despite that it’s overall a healthy and well run community. We should really be glad that other communities are coming up, they are not mutually exclusive after all.
Absolutely! I just find Lemmy is more interesting to me than Tildes. I’m glad both exist, and I’m glad RIF supports both. Maybe I’ll give it another shot at some point.
The real issue with Reddit is a lack of real competition. Ideally, there would be several similar services and people would pick and choose between them. That way, if one goes down or otherwise becomes less attractive, there’s a backup to flock to that already has the capacity to take on those new users.
I’m glad RIF supports both
Does it? Last I heard, the dev had no intention of supporting Lemmy or Kbin any time soon.
I’m talking about Tildes and Reddit, though I’m not sure if they still have an option for supporting Reddit with the increased API costs.
Whenever I go over there it always feels like they just like to listen to themselves talk. :(
That’s exactly how I feel about Twitter and Facebook, so I avoid all of that. Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform, and Lemmy is scratching that itch for me as well.
I haven’t actually looked at Tildes seriously because when I first heard about it years ago, it just didn’t have much content and was invite only, so I bailed.
Lemmy is good enough for me, so I’m here. I could probably go through the effort of getting an account at Tildes and Lobsters, but that’s effort I should be spending not being on SM, so I just don’t bother. I go to SM to escape, and any barriers just remind me I should be doing something more productive.
Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform
Strongly disagree. The whole Karma / award / Gold system combined with algorithms ensures a certain type of posts are favored, and comments / discourse of certain type gets upvotes and visibility. There is a pattern under the most popular Reddit posts and comments and it’s not hard to see.
Lemmy has sort of a half-hearted voting system which I feel is actually beneficial to the experience and the fact there is no algorithm messing about is another big plus.
Sure, it favors types of posts, but not specific users. It still led to karma whoring having a certain value, but overall it seemed to have fewer of the problems of sites like Twitter and Facebook where followers matter. I’d rather have higher quality/popular content float to the top than popular contributors.
It certainly wasn’t perfect and I never claimed it was, but it was way better (for me) than most other social networks because people seemed a lot more genuine, especially on smaller subs (e.g. anything under 1M subs or so, preferably 50-100k).
And yeah, so far Lemmy’s solution seems to work well, and I guess we’ll see if the continues as it grows.
Was really keen on tildes for a moment when we were going through the exodus stage with Reddit. I wasn’t keen on the closed invite system.
I get they want to keep their own community and that’s fine, but it’s a shame they wanted to limit their growth in a time when people were looking for alternatives
I got my account by reading the FAQ’s and emailing directly.
It seems more of a step to weed out low effort posters which I’m not mad at tbh.
And that’s why it’s dead. Because what constitutes “low effort” is a discussion to be had, but that place is just the owner’s backyard where they kick out anything or anyone they don’t like.
Probably limited to keep the infrastructure from getting overwhelmed. It is a one person show after all.
Does that website ban people for fucking cursing?
What the fuck man. Are you shitting me?
No. Fucking. Way.
Lol invite only.
No thanks.
You don’t really have much choice in the matter if you haven’t been invited 😄
Imagine watching reddit becoming so fucked up and going to a platform that’s even more controlling and centralized 🙄
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I wonder why he went over that over Lemmy.
Talklittle themself has said that it’s actually because they were already working on a tildes app before the reddit API changed. Tildes was different enough from reddit that they felt comfortable investing the time. Then 3rd party apps got booted and everyone started moving over, and at that point it was easier to keep working on the same tildes app than to start anything new.
They are on the fediverse as well, so hopefully with time they may decide to make something for Lemmy as well
Probably because when people were suggesting Reddit alternatives a TON of people showed interest in Tildes. Then, as far as I know, it never took off because it was invite only?
We have all of the larger Android Reddit app developers making Lemmy apps already. I’m pretty happy with Lemmy.
Yeah but I mean he should at least researched how good or active Tildes was?
Or is it more active than Lemmy?
I don’t know how to create apps, but IMHO that seems to involve a lot of time and research, even if you have a full baked one for other service, so I wouldn’t rush launching it into a “x” (no Elon shit) alternative?
Well I bet he has his reasons.
EDIT: Nevermind I got a repose with the context about his reasonings:
This is great! The road is finally rising with all the alternatives and as a Tildes user, i’m excited to install this, and maybe improve my engagement there.
Sadly tildes is invite only it seems.
Yeah, but just asking for one is usually enough. It isn’t difficult to get, just enough to totally prevent bots or massive multiple accounts.
From what I can recall, you aren’t missing much. The power hungry admins are intense there.
It looks like they have their own “vibe” and rigorously enforce it in their own community. That’s fine, it’s their service after all. Feels a bit strange to turn away potential new users when people are looking for viable alternatives
I don’t think Tildes is turning anyone away, not sure where that narrative comes from. Anyone can request an invite from the owner themselves.They are just not looking for explosive growth like some of the other services are.
In fact I think the invite system is an effective way to keep the boys away as the free-for-all signups are easier to game.
Sadly tildes is invite only it seems.
People parrot this as if getting a Tildes invite is like getting invited to join the Freemasons or something like that—it’s not that hard to get an invite.
And for those who are just going to lurk, you don’t even need to register to view everything.
But if you’re trying to be a Reddit competitor getting an invite is sabotaging your mission. I’ve been on Reddit for 10+ years and I’m actively looking for a replacement, but I’m not going to search for someone that can send me an invite to a new social media site
ok, but Tildes isn’t setting itself up as a Reddit competitor, like, its goal isn’t to get people to move away from Reddit. It’s just its own thing which happens to have some similarities to Reddit but with a bunch of differences too.
Afaik you just email him and he will give you one it is not like they are overwhelmed with people.
Received an invite after a week.
It isn’t bad of a turnaround time, really.
I have 5 invites I can give out, PM me if you’re interested!
I would love one if they’re still available
I would love one please if you still have some!
Can’t seem to figure out how to PM you, so here you go, hope nobody steals it out from under you. :( I have 3 left to give after this one:
Thank you!
I went and looked at tildes as a result of this, and it seems aggressively dead. Like, the fediverse is pretty dead and tildes makes it look positively thriving in comparison. Yeesh.
What are you talking about, Lemmy is great and Matrix is absolutely thriving for things I care about.
Sure, Lemmy doesn’t have 300M users or whatever Reddit has, but that doesn’t mean it’s dead, it just means it’s small. Valuable discussion happens here, and it seems to be improving.
No shit you think it’s fine, you’re a techy linux weirdo. Good luck discussing like, musicals or tabletop roleplaying games or homemade moonshine or anything in that general vicinity of “niche” on here.
It’s small enough to literally have zero posts of a variety of topics, and that number isn’t improving. Get outside of your own circle every once in a while.
Well yeah, you are probably going though Reddit withdrawal. Comparing anything to Reddit and it’ll seem dead.
techy linux weirdo
Get outside of your own circle every once in a while
Not a fan of your incendiary language and provacatory flaming attempts, but pretty on-brand for refugees who misses Reddit like an ex. I mean, Reddit is still around and I’m sure they’ll take you back, just apologize and use the Official App™!
You’re an idiot. Also a techy linux weirdo, so I’m not surprised. Did you know other people have hobbies that do not involve Linux, and would like to be able to discuss them without someone like you bending themselves into a pretzel over how the Fediverse has no room for filthy casuals who don’t know what FOSS stands for. Gatekeep harder! This will surely save the fediverse from normies.
Relax man lol. It sounds like you’ve been through some shit on the Fediverse, but it has nothing to do with me. Project your anger elsewhere.
And I wish I’m a Linux techie so I can wipe my lonely tears away every night with cold hard cash.
Yes, the variety is certainly an issue. I do miss certain communities on Reddit.
It’s not to the point where I’d recommend it to my wife (she’s the opposite of a techy Linux weirdo), but it works for what I wanted Reddit for, which was tech news aggregation and a place to discuss games.
Maybe I’ll get around to trying to start some of the other niche communities I miss.
That said, you would probably have luck discussing tabletop gaming on one of the gaming communities here. I personally don’t play any (I’ve played one DND campaign and decided it wasn’t for me, open to trying again though), but I have coworkers who do, so maybe that’ll change.
That said, here are two that I really like here that I was surprised to find here that aren’t Linux or tech related:
- !bicycling@lemmy.ca
- !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works - are video games “techy”
But relatively niche things like musicals aren’t really a thing here, though I never felt much of a need to look for stuff like that. When I want to watch a play or musical, I generally look for expert reviews.
I do miss some subreddits for recommendations (especially “Buy it for Life” and related purchasing communities), but that’s usually a read-only thing for me so I just check back on Reddit as needed.
40-something sysadmins love both bicycles and video games, so I’m really not surprised. All of those “read-only” bits aren’t here and they aren’t moving, and nobody’s making them because the moderation tools are awful. Kbin doesn’t even have an API.
When I want to watch a play or musical, I generally look for expert reviews.
I generally look for the opinions of like, actual human beings with no skin in the game. Reviewers gotta say what they need to say to pay their bills. Reddit was great for stuff like that, or the semi-official subreddits of specific obscure headphone companies, vinyl record swapping, local-town-community type subreddits… Stuff this place seems like it will literally never have. It’s a shame.
Yup, I definitely used Reddit for the things you mentioned, except media like plays and movies (but strangely not games) where I still find value from professional critics.
And I’m not a 40-something sysadmin, I’m a 30-something software engineer (quite different), and I’m very much not interested in high end cycling gear (it’s transportation and exercise for me, not status and social connection). That community has a good mixture of both. Basically, it’s a mix of /r/bicycles, /r/cycling, and /r/bikecommuting, and is precisely what I wanted.
I do hope that mod tools get better. If I knew my way around the Reddit tools, I’d help build it, but I have very little idea if what’s wanted or needed.
It’s been invite-only for a long while, so they can manage the userbase easier. I imagine that, plus the lack of support for visual content makes it challenging for engagement.
I used to be on there. It’s boring as fuck. Anything remotely fun is beneath them.
lack of support for visual content
That sounds amazing
