• orrk@lemmy.world
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    to be fair, it’s much easier if you just annex and slaughter the fucking browns who are there

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      Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations, and Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Do you want to go to bat for them?

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        Otzma Jehudit is part of the Israeli Government coalition, it consists mainly of internationally wanted terrorists. and you want to bat for these terrorists? the ones who have been preaching the 14 words as a justification for genocide?

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          Assuming that’s true, that’s one group within the government. Find them, try them, and imprison them. On the other side are three entire genocidal terrorist regimes. Will you side with them? What do you think we should do with them?

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            we don’t need to fucking find them, they are open, they give speeches about how starving and killing every Palestinian is a moral good on a daily basis. they ARE the government, who’s going to put them in front of a judge and find them guilty, themselves? you are literally supporting a genocidal terrorist regime.

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                considering that all three of these regimes are not committing genocide at the moment, Iran not even interested in said genocide and the other two only existing because they are a resistance movement against Israel. yes, I think you can make a very compelling case that said one genocidal terrorist regime is worse than the others.

                Hezbollah was relatively quiet before the war kicked off, Hamas was supported by the Israeli state under Netanyahu to act as a spoiler towards the PAs attempt at a diplomatic 2-state solution, and Israel has been in power for the past 70 years. Hamas and Hezbollah literally only exist because Israel is an expansionist apartheid state.

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                  If Iran isn’t interested in the genocide, why do they fund and arm Hamas and Hezbollah? And Israel supported Hamas as an opposition to the PLO, which was a major terrorist organization at the time. Do you think they intentionally created Hamas as an excuse to get their own people bombed?

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                    Israel supported Hamas as an opposition to the PLO the PLO didn’t fucking exist anymore when Hamas being supported by the Israeli government, Hamas started out as a humanitarian aid group affiliated with the Muslim brotherhood and radicalized before the second intifada, they were supported to undermine the PA who had been created as part of the Oslo Accords (that Israel then ignored), the most prominent example f this being when the IDF conducted air strikes against Fatah (the actual PA government) during the Hamas - Fatah civil war.

                    Yes the Israeli government helped create Hamas to undermine any attempt at negotiation towards a two-state solution, and a few dead Jews are no biggie, in fact they died as martyrs to justify genocide, you know eggs and omelets, this isn’t out of the ordinary behavior for genocidal regimes.

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        Calling the people you dislike “terrorists” to avoid critical thinking about the atrocities (including genocide) of your own side isn’t really the gotcha you think it is.

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          Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and Israel are currently acting as terrorist states/groups. That isn’t up for debate, because it’s objective reality.

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            I’m not sure that there is credible evidence of Iran and its affiliates targeting civilians the same way that the occupation has, their acts all seem to be targeting military installations rather than civilian targets. The occupation primarily targets civilians and civilian infrastructure.

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              I’m not sure that there is credible evidence of Iran and its affiliates targeting civilians the same way that the occupation has

              I guess Oct 7 was just a figment of our collective imaginations.

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                That was a military attack on military targets. It’s hard to know for sure what the actual outcome of that day was though since the occupation prohibits investigations. Certainly there were many civilian deaths, but there isn’t any evidence that suggests they were an intended target or that the majority were even killed by Hamas.

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          I’m not calling them that on my own. I’m describing them the way multiple other nations have described them - not Israel. You only need to see their actions towards their own population to see why.