• Kichae@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Cool. Now, let’s start getting into whether communism is “extremism” or not, rather than just begging the question.

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      Any talk of communism is a “red” herring when it comes to this topic. Russia isn’t in any way officially, notionally, or superficially communist.

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        People still be calling Russia communist even though the Soviet Union famously fell under Boris Yeltsin

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          … and people calling themselves communist still leaping to its defence, for some inexplicable reason.

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              It’s more the idea that a lot of communists have that “anything that challenges American global hegemony = automatically good.”

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                Colloquially referred to as “Tankies”. America = Bad, therefore Not America = Good mostly sums up Tankie takes, but more properly Tankies is a pejorative for authoritarian communists, usually apologists for China and the CCP nowadays. IIRC originally it referred to communist parties in Western countries that excused Soviet actions during the Prague Spring and such, although I’d say that is an obsolete term.

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        That’s because western propaganda has destroyed your ability to learn or think critically about anything left of capitalism. It’s not really your fault, it’s trillions spent on creating that mentality.

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          No, it’s because communism is an extremist ideology. You literally can’t go farther left on the political spectrum than communism. That is the very definition of extremism.

          By the way, capitalism is not a political ideology. It’s an economic one. I am a capitalist, but a centrist Libertarian one. I used to consider myself left of center, but the insanity of the left since Oct 7, 2023, has caused me to shift right of center.

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            You literally can’t go farther left on the political spectrum than communism.

            By the way, capitalism is not a political ideology.

            You contradict yourself.

            By your own logic, if capitalism isn’t a political ideology then neither is communism.

            The fact that you wrote these in the same comment lets everyone know that either you are ignorant, or you are extremely misinformed on the subject at hand.

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            Using the left and right spectrum is idiotic and not indicative of how extreme an ideology is. It’s like… 6th grade understanding of the nuances and philosophy of political, economic, and social issues and was created to make capitalism seem like a reasonable centrist position.

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              Actually, it sounds more like you’re dismissing a standard political spectrum model to make communism sound less extreme than it is. Would you feel better if I used the word ‘radical’ rather than ‘extreme’?

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                So extreme and radical to you are just “the further away an ideology is from our current form of capitalism, the more extreme it is” then?

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                  No, extreme is the further away an ideology is from centrist/moderate ideologies. At one end of the spectrum is fascism, at the other is communism.