The title really lacks context. The “person in Russia in the group chat” is Witkoff, the US official in charge of the situation in Ukraine and the Middle East
That is definitely the context needed. Not sure though if he needed to know the exact details of the battle plans whilst in Russia. Still feels like a slight lack of control of sensitive information. Albeit it’s not as bad as forgetting you had a journalist in the same chat.
Well I mean, if anyone needs to know, it’s him, right?
Possibly, but by private company owned chat? Also while in a foreign country known to be hostile to the US. If you apply this logic it smacks of lack of thought towards control of sensitive information which is pretty much the incompetence this administration has shown since well a long time.
Hillary was crucified over emails on her own server. What these guys are doing is way worse by using a commercial platform to transmit sensitive information.
I keep seeing Hillary’s server brought up to highlight the red team’s hypocrisy, but there’s some introspection to be had for us as well on that topic.
Hillary’s email server was one of many stepping stones on the path of increasingly fucked infosec. Now, the vast majority of neanderthals foaming at the mouth over her emails only gave a damn about it because of the (D) next to her name, but those idiots getting angry at it for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean it wasn’t a big deal.
My perspective on all that when the story was first breaking: I was fairly new e-nothing junior enlisted medic in the USAF. The closest thing to classified info I ever dealt with was ‘confidential’ medical shit covered by HIPAA, and like people’s social security numbers. That’s it. But even with zero-access to military secrets, at the absolute rock-bottom of the chain of command, I still had to take lengthy infosec courses every year (or every quarter? idr) to ensure I knew how to identify and properly handle classified information. Fuckups in infosec are NOT tolerated: like if I took a single page of classified info home without authorization, that’d be a court martial / potential jail time / stripped of rank / dishonorable discharge level offense. Then we have a fucking Secretary of State - someone who handles classified info all the time and should be a subject matter expert on the do’s and don’ts of it - running her own shady-ass server away from the prying eyes of FOIA, claiming to not recognize classified indicators?? Then before anything could be done about it, we got the whole bleach-bit and hammer-to-harddrives scene, so some nice destruction of evidence as the cherry on top.
100% we should have crucified her.
Just like we should have crucified the dipshits before her using private email platforms like gmail or some shit to send or receive official / classified communication. Every one of those fuckers knew better.
Then Trump happens and makes everything prior, Hillary and all, look like fucking j-walking compared to the scale and blatancy of his crimes. ‘Crucified’ doesn’t even begin to describe what needs to happen to that fucking traitor.
…but the dismissiveness regarding the email server does kinda strike a nerve for me - she fucked up BAD, and we dropped the ball by not holding her accountable, as that left the door open for dipshits like Trump to continue the trend of worse and worse infosec.
Again, it’s peanuts compared to Trump - I hate writing shit like this for even the flicker of a possibility of drawing a false equivalence. There is no equivalence here. But I really wish we’d collectively change our tone about handwaving the ‘buttery males!’ shit because it is hypocritical to do that and then get pissy about the red team’s conceptually-similar-albeit-orders-of-magnitude-more-severe fuckups.
At the end of the day, we should expect our leaders to do their job and do it correctly. If they don’t, then get angry - it’s your security they’re playing with. None of them get the benefit of the doubt, regardless of which color their campaign stickers are.
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Very well articulated response. I fully agree with you. My original comment does imply that what Hillary did was not as bad as Trump. However, such comparison should not be used to downplay what she did.
Even without going to this signal usage as a comparison. Musk’s DOGE department is literally doing the exact same thing that Hillary did, but with more security holes.
Conservatives have no real principles. They happily engage in behavior they criticize - it’s all just about political attacks, its never about substance.
It’s about making the rich richer
I won’t argue against that either, the whole administration is just pure incompetence.
While what they did is really really stupid, and funny given how much of a stink was made over Hillary’s emails. On a technology level, I would trust Signals encryption way more than I would whatever random email server software was running that server that Hillary had. If they were going to do something as stupid as they did, they picked about the best tool to do that stupid thing with that you could choose.
I think you’re forgetting the part where they added random people to the group chat.
Not sure though if he needed to know the exact details of the battle plans whilst in Russia.
Through an unsecure platform, no less.
There really is no excuse for any of this. And they are denying that a chat existed, or that any classified information was posted, or that there were even plans to attack anyone… imbeciles. Every single one.
How is Signal unsecure?
Unsecure, meaning not an authorized channel for this type of classified discussion to have even be taken place.
Signal is still “secure” in the sense that it uses encryption, etc.
But as with personal emails, which may also use encryption, is it NOT a secure way (i.e. not the proper method of communication) for sharing highly classified war plans.
Republicans railed on Hillary for the whole server fiasco, but this is magnitudes more damaging to the competency of the administration, and for national security.
Unsecure ≠ Insecure
Unsecure in this context generally means not in compliance with military and classified security practices and procedures for “securing” information.
Signal is secure in the sense of being strong end-to-end cryptography.
Or said differently: signal will probably resist attempts to hack the chat, but it won’t resist the “beat him with a wrench til he unlocks his phone” strategy. That’s why secure comms for governments are usually done in a secure room in an embassy, on hardwired devices.
It’s a complete lack of control of sensitive information. Signal should never be used for this. No phone app can make the security guarantees necessary for this level of detail.
No, it’s much worse than that. The Pentagon announced not long ago that Signal has been compromised by Russia.
Hate to link reddit here, but this comment does a good job of explaining how damaging this really is:
Also, they’re using Signal to dodge FOIA requests, as well as subpoenas, which was recommended by the project 2025 leader Vought last year to hide their illegal activity
Please don’t spread FUD. That memo does NOT claim Signal has been compromised by Russia.
The actual claim is that Russia has used deceptive e-mail style tactics to trick people into authorizing a malicious “linked devices” request. This is a social engineering vulnerability, not a technical one.
To be clear, the Signal protocol has not been cracked. Russia has been using phishing attacks to get victims to link their signal account to a device Russia controls.
No doubt on a personal device, surrounded by hostile cell towers and WiFi hotspots and being bombarded with who knows what kind of state-level malware.
It’s not like they need to break signal; if they can clandestinely screencap, keysniff etc then this chat was completely pwned regardless of how secure it was between TCP endpoints
This is not even a conversation that should be happening on a government issued smartphone in a hostile foreign country.
See, Donald Trump was feeding the Russians false information via a double secret Signal Chat under the guise of accidentally leakng it. He plays 18D chess.
It’s already well established that the Trump administration is a bunch of traitors and foreign assets.
What puzzles me is how Americans are OK with that?
They are destroying old alliances, and making them enemies to please Russia and possibly China too.We’re not quite here yet, but… it’s only been 2 months.
Feels like it’s been an entire term already. 😮💨
OK so how many rioters were hurt at the January 6th attack again?
We are is okay what?
As far as I can tell, the Trump administration is meeting near zero resistance.
If people don’t do anything, it’s the same as condoning it.And yes I know there are some that do, and I know there are good Americans too.
But you are too few, and you don’t make a significant difference to the problem.There are lots of protests going on, as well as lots of angry people going to their representatives’ town hall meetings and/or calling and sending messages to them. Unfortunately it’s Congress who has the Constitutional power to act and they’ve abdicated. The Repubs are fully on board with the trump regime and the Dems are in the minority and have very little power. Most of them are just wringing their hands as usual. There are 3 branches of government and two are fascist-ruled. The third (judiciary) has no actual power if the other two don’t abide by their rulings.
It’s hard to know what more the average person can (legally) do right now.
Like this:
https://apnews.com/article/serbia-protest-students-vucic-74fff7381f2d6e6ba084aeb17aa88163
This is in Belgrade, a city with just over a million citizens:USA has a 40 times bigger population and 9 cities that are bigger than this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_populationI’m not dissing those that actually try do do something, but it’s almost like Americans gave up on democracy and the rule of law.
Or can Americans not see they are about to lose their democracy? And is heading directly towards a totalitarian regime!Dems (most of them) are just wringing their hands as usual
Exactly, I wonder what it takes to make them wake up? Democracy in USA needs to be restored and reformed, and now is the time to do it.
If democrats are waiting because they believe it will be easier if Trump loses more popularity, they are playing a very dangerous game.I think our protests will grow in size once people start feeling the more devastating effects in their personal lives. Yes, I do think there’s a lot of denial going on, and there’s lots of gaslighting not only by magat media but also by mainstream media (all owned by oligarchs), with very little coverage of the protests. What little coverage they do, they’re mostly focusing on the tesla/anti-Musk ones, and other things only if they get a lot of social media attention. And lots of misinformation and pro-trump propaganda on social media as well that downplays the severity of the transgressions being perpetrated.
mainstream media (all owned by oligarchs)
Yeah huge problem right there! USA has an idea now that Democrats are left wing! while in reality Democrats are right of the center for most European countries.
Bernie and AOC are moderately left wing, and far from extreme, there is a pretty big left wing spectrum to the left of them too.But USA lacks political nuances because of the 2 party system ingrained in the way democracy works in USA.
But still center or left of center for the US, which is more conservative and religious overall compared to Europe.
You’re welcome to come and try to organize it yourself.
Good luck.
Absolutely no, it has to be Americans who do it, and decide what to do with their country.
And we are. Sure. 34,000 in the Capitol of Colorado might seem pathetic to you, but that’s enormous. Just to meet with Bernie Sanders and AOC.
50501 is gaining a lot of momentum. Nearly every weekend in every city there are protests. They’re happening during the weekdays too. There are people showing up to republicans in town halls voicing their anger at their representatives.
If you aren’t willing to help, kindly fuck off.
It’s because they know when the next elections are.
I think it’s very dangerous to assume those will be democratic. We are pretty close to Trump arresting political opponents, he has threatened about it already during his first term. And he now calls Tesla protesters terrorists despite they never threatened or harmed anyone!! By declaring them terrorists he can use terror laws against his political opponents.
So I think you mean they THINK they know when the next elections are.
Yeah we’ll see what happens.
our big problem is too many people hooked into propaganda machines like they’re in the matrix. too many people on bluesky, twitter, facebook, lemmy, and at their local mcdonalds watching mass media news, all without connecting to anyone else who can help them muster resistance or help them direct their feelings.
the revolution will not be televised. people need to go outside and start talking to their neighbors to dislodge them of the notion that this is politics as usual
Yes there’s a lot of truth to that. But at some point people should get concerned enough to take to the streets.
But despite everything happening in USA, that is not the case.that’s what i’m saying. those of us who are pushing back against fascism are currently trying to get our coalitions bigger, and i need anyone on lemmy not outside getting on that timing. the bigger and stronger our coalition the safer it is for our activists to act
I wish you all the luck.
Jfc. Every article increasingly reveals just how inept Trump and his syncophants truly are.
I wish I could say I’m shocked.
Meanwhile my work computer/phone doesn’t even work outside the country. Next question is if these communications were on people’s personal phones as well. 😮💨
Cant install signal on government devices as I understand it so yeah, probably.
But it’s okay. An investigation has been done and none of the people in the chat was Hillary Clinton.
Stevie Deals is everywhere.
No one cares. No one gives a shit. There are “collateral arrests” made in relation to deportations. Libraries and national parks are being defunded.
…if you’re not rioting now you ain’t gonna. America is in a holding pattern of decay.
All the easier to pass the info on to his Russian handlers. Seriously the probability that at least some of their phones are compromised by Pegasus or other state-sponsored spyware is very high. As Pete Buttigieg said, “These are very rich and powerful people. They won’t personally suffer the consequences. This is a game to them.”
