So, what? We’re just straight up making shit up about Mac now when trashing it on Lemmy?
Its literally been over a decade since the last time Apple charged for an OS update
It’s a comic from 2011. Here’s the source: https://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/
I mean, that’s cool - but it’s still on the front page today
I think it’s important to consider that the joke was made over a decade ago before getting upset that it hasn’t been accurate in over a decade.
But yeah, OP probably could have included a date in the title and avoided some of this.
No fun allowed on lemmy, everyone!
Then Op is an idiot
And I believe they stopped charging for OS updates before Microsoft did, though I could be misremembering.
They 100% did
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to gripe about with apple, just like every tech company, but I swear half the complaints I hear about Apple products on lemmy are either outdated or just plain wrong
For some reason the anti-Apple circle jerk is supercharged on Lemmy. I’ll never understand why people get themselves so worked up over a brand they never have to do business with
I agree. I work in IT and often get asked what the best phone is when someone is looking. I tell them to go to the store and play around with a number of phones for a while. The one they seem to like best or are drawn to more is the one they should get. It makes 0 difference to me what brand of phone/pc/diapers/whatever someone else uses.
I have no problem telling non-technical people to get an iSomething. Most of the time, it just works, especially amongst its own ecosystem. Android on its own works plenty fine too, but getting it to play ball with other gadgets can be an adventure sometimes.
Apple clearly expects/intends you to get a Mac if you have an iPhone. For a notebook, that’s great, I like MacBooks… there’s no way I’m getting a Mac desktop, though. There’s obviously great interoperability with iOS devices and MacBooks but not so much with Windows. Apple has an iCloud extension for Explorer, but it isn’t very well written and wastes a lot of resources. I also have never been able to get windows to connect to the iPhone for a wired USB hotspot.
In general, the anti-apple cult is much stronger than the supposed pro-apple cult. I haven’t seen people really give that much of a fuck about apple positively in years but if you prefer an iphone, some people insist you’re obsessed with them.
on this site at least - you’re absolutely right, and the fact that you’re getting bombed with downvotes is pretty solid anecdotal evidence of that if nothing else lol
Don’t get me wrong, I get just as annoyed by those who insist Apple can do no wrong as those who insist they can do no right. I just find it weird how pseudo-religious people can get about Apple. It seems like you’re not allowed to just view them as another tech company. You have to either crusade against them, or else you’re a paid apple shill
“BOMBED with downvotes”
They have three as of this post, chill out lol
Either that or an elitist whose goal is “to appear rich”. Like, the flagship models of the major Android phones are the same price if not more, but for some reason having an Apple device is just some sort of status symbol.
I’m pretty sure the whole “iPhone as a status symbol” thing is a thing of the past - I literally can’t remember anytime in the last 5 years that anyone expressed envy at someone owning a iphone.
I’d argue that yearly upgrades regardless of phone brand are more of the status symbol now
Oh I agree entirely when it comes to people expressing envy or something. But I still see people bring up the status symbol argument when debating whether iOS or Android is superior.
I’m on kbin so downvotes from other instances (??)… they don’t even show up.
Ooo that’s a nice feature lol - how’s kbin these days? I checked it out at the beginning but went with Lemmy - have they added hashtag following to the microblogging portion? And is there a good app?
It’s been pretty steady. I’ve alternated between kbin and lemmy for a while. I generally only use the web interfaces… I don’t think the kbin app is ready for release yet. Overall I like the interface more than the default Lemmy, though it has some strange aspects also. It doesn’t seem there’s a way to follow hashtags. Overall I find the microblog interface somewhat confusing (I can’t even tell what the up arrow does).
i use a mac for work, so i got an iphone. An ipad replaced most of my laptop work. At that point the ecosystem just made sense for me. Apple are a bad company, but their shit just works for me.
I didn’t care nearly as much till I started working at a company that is 100% apple only.
That said, I try to keep my complaints focused on things I found aggravating.
Lemmy users just have better taste. Also all my negative opinions about Apple products were formed a decade ago and I haven’t had anything to do with them since.
You are not.
The last paid Mac OS update was Mountain Lion in 2012. Wasn’t the last paid Windows update Windows 7 in 2009, since it’s technically possible to update all the way to Windows 11 without buying another license.
This meme is older than decade as well.
Bright to you by the same people who will trash Windows over some aspect of the OS, and in the same sentence praise Linux for how wonderful and innovative it is for doing the exact same thing.
What exactly do people complain about Windows doing that Linux also does? Trying to be neutral here, but I can’t think of a single issue that is a common windows complaint that is also an issue on Linux. I can think of plenty of issues for both OS’s (and MacOS too fwiw), but the venn diagram of windows issues and Linux issues is just two non overlapping circles as far as I can tell lol
When their last paid update launched, Mac’s were expected to last the better part of a decade, just like Windows (and certain Linux distros can last much longer.)
Today, Apple cuts off all support after just three years. Their “updates” are fluffy marketing bullshit. The latest one is just a bunch of wallpapers and screensavers.
Windows, on average, releases an update every three years, on average. Any computer thay can run it can get them for about $100. The cheapest Mac is $1,000.
So people are paying ten times more, all while they believe they are getting a great deal and “free” updates compared to the “paid” alternative.
Time to update the meme.
- windows: oh no, I was in a meeting!
- mac: oh no, I need a new mac for this to work!
- Linux: I’m afraid to install this, my graphics will probably break again!
I haven’t had to touch xorg.conf in many years
It’s been so long since X broke that most people won’t know what you mean by xorg.conf
Hey, now with Wayland we get whole new things to fix when they break.
what the hell that exists?
I’ve had some programs break because their dependencies updated before them but never the graphics
Nvidia thing probably
You can pause and schedule update on Windows
But you can’t decline them or postpone indefinitely. It’ll eventually force you to restart and update, and that’s a problem.
When updates break a piece of critical software and can’t be postponed indefinitely it’s a real problem.
I’ve also run into instances where my PC was performing a task that required several weeks of processing time and Windows forced a restart because the process time was longer than the postponement window, so a task that’s supposed to take 3 weeks suddenly takes 6 weeks.
Yes, security is important, but sometimes it’s secondary to the entire fucking reason a computer has been deployed, and Microsoft shouldn’t be dictating my priorities.
You can decline them semi permanently. Mine will ask again in the year 2077.
I forget the specifics, because I’ve had autoupdates turned off for a while now, but I think it would make you set “active hours” and then would do updates outside of your active hours. Regardless of you actually using your computer at the time. And, back in the day, my sleep schedule was non-existent, so there was no time that was completely safe for doing updates.
There was a time when you could postpone, but they got rid of that, or limited it… eventually you’d end up with an unstoppable update. It seems microsoft is trying tons of things to get people to stay up to date, but none are satisfying to everyone.
I prefer my method, which isn’t easily accessible to all, manually updating periodically. Sometimes I’m a month or 2 late, but the worst of the worst vulnerabilities ends up news and that’ll get me to update sooner.
I do not think that any solution will satisfy everyone. the limit of 35 days is probably a bit short.
There are high-schoolers alive today (maybe even in this thread) who were born after Apple stopped charging for updates. Maybe it’s time to get some new jokes.
This meme has been doing the rounds for few years now. Also, I don’t remember the exact date now when Apple stopped charging for updates. I assume it has been a decent long time since they last did so. The only pain point is Windows which takes the most time to update and has basically made dual booting tougher than ever, thanks to their ever screwing of Grub configs.
Last time they charged for an OS update was with Mountain Lion, which was also the last “big cat” OS. That was in 2012, and it was only 20$. The last OS release that was over 100$ (or even 50$) was Leopard, in 2007, at 130$. Back then, the only way to get it was on a CD, which is obviously much more expensive to manufacture and distribute than a download…
Obviously an apple shill getting paid in update money
Windows: It’s stuck again. Will force-reboot corrupt my system?
Rolling-release distro: Cool! New features. …5 programs just stopped working all together.
Point-release distro: Let’s see… under the hood improvements.
Gentoo: I don’t have time for this.
LFS: I never planned to try updating it anyway.The first part of this comment triggered some PTSD.
I dunno, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and using mostly flatpacks for my apps have been pretty consistent for me lately, though that’s the first rolling release distro I’ve tried.
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This meme is from an older time when all of this was true.
For all the people here commenting here about macOS updates being free forever, I guess they haven’t really used the OS long enough.
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/
Should the meme be updated before it is eventually reposted? Yes. But should it misinform people? No.
I remember paying for Snow Leopard and being excited about it. Apple is nothing if not great at marketing.
i remember snow leopard being only £25 and being ecstatic
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First I’m seeing it. That’s the thing with reposts, the venn diagram of people who have seen it, and of people who have not seen it is rarely a circle.
Yeah but the punchline literally was aged out of existence 10 years ago, when Apple stopped charging for OS (upgrade or otherwise).
I think it’s a bit funnier if you don’t have a giant stick up you ass
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Lol, I mean sort of… They charge 2-3 times too much for their hardware (all of which is outdated save for some of their processors) and cut off any computer over three years old.
I’ve never in my entire life retired a computer after only three years. It’s so incredibly wasteful and greedy of them.
MacOS Sonoma, released Fall 2023, is available on iMac Pro, released in 2017. That’s the oldest they support, but even the lower-tier MacBook Air and Mac Mini models are supported back to the 2018 models. That’s six and five years.
Fuck Apple and their greedy business tactics, but let’s not just spread false information either.
Apple makes solid hardware that’s good for way longer then the software supports. Previously bring a mac first user, I’ve taken to buying 10 year old macbook pros and putting linux on them for that reason.
I’ve got an iMac sitting on my desk I use as a secondary machine and monitor that is 14 years old. You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts.
2006 MacPro. I should use it as a server, but between the 32bit firmware and that it’s a space heater that only supports 6 drives without adding a SAS card, I have better options.
So you’re saying that I can get MacOS for free? I highly doubt that… Not that I would want it for more than playing around with it on an old phone…
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Sweet I updated and broke my package manager and the system python. I guess I’ll just reimage and start over.
:shrugs:
I don’t have time for that tbh. I go with Mac for my laptop for that reason.
Reminds me of Technology Connections:
“I like to do work on my computer. Not work on my computer. And that’s why I don’t use Linux! Yea, I went there!”
If you use all three long enough, you have the middle reaction to updates for all three.
This comic is from a long time ago…
Regardless, I’ll accept it.
Free software as in freedom of speech, not necessarily as in free beer. Maintainers also need to pay the bills.
I’ve always been curious how people who give away software for a living make that living. I have a few OSS projects but I make my living other ways, those OSS projects are hobbies and my living takes precedence every time because I like to eat food and buy things.
Like they can sell support, but I have never paid for a solution. They can sell packaged solutions, but I can compile it myself. They can survive on donations but, while I have donated to a lot of FOSS projects, I imagine most people don’t donate.
A lot of good FOSS projects start off as a company’s internal tooling, which they release to the public. The main source of income is sometimes an entirely different product/service.
Sweet I updated and gained more storage space!
I don’t think I’ve ever sat there and thought “cool free stuff” when updating. More so annoyed as it reminds me that our systems at work should probably get updated.
I once accidentally installed one on my Mac and I lost my shit.
Like, first it was an emotional reaction of losing my shit, then I actually lost a lot of important shit because there was no way to downgrade, and the latest OS cut off tools from my important tools and apps from being run.
I get the general point. Apple apps are more often paid and at a higher price generally. But Mac OS has been free forever. And when they did charge it was waaaaay cheaper than Windows
That’s true, and I believe it was to lure people from using Windows computer / make the switch. I almost forgot that they charged it at some point though, it brings back memories!
Which Apple apps are paid for? Their entire productivity suite is free, Office 365 is a hefty enough price. You get a free photo editing app, free video editing app and free music production app on every device. Of course there’s a couple of Pro apps for music and video but they are literally for pro users and generally the investment is worth what you can do with them.
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Paying for upgrades was popularised by apps on Apple devices. I remember a time when upgrades were free for life.
Mac user: I’ve never once paid for a system update and am wildly confused by this meme.
And hardware support continues for so long I’ve never had a machine be unable to run a new OS before I already needed a new machine (I used my ‘08 MacBook Pro for a solid 10 years no problem).
I feel like some of y’all have never used an Apple machine before.
You had to pay for OS X updates before, but they changed that around 15 years ago. I remember paying I think $60 to upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.
They used to charge for OS upgrades about 10 years ago, back when it was still called OSX.
Enterprise Linux: “we updated last night. We’ll probably reboot this weekend. No cause for alarm.”
