cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35871824
Mayor Patrick Brown said he’s talked with the premier. Brampton has 185 photo radar cameras deployed.
The City of Brampton has spent millions of dollars going all-in on automated speed enforcement (ASE) technology and now Premier Doug Ford says his government might ban it.
On Tuesday (Sep. 9), Ford told reporters that he wants municipalities to voluntarily remove their ASE cameras — otherwise known as photo radar — or the province might ban them.
“It’s just a tax grab. They should take out those cameras — all of them,” Ford said. “Hopefully, the cities will get rid of them … or I’m going to help them get rid of them very shortly.”
Kralt told council that the cameras had reduced average driving speeds in six study areas by between 13 and 26 km/h, while increasing speed limit compliance by up to 85 per cent.
There are two petitions currently active for and against.
Link to petition posted on change.org, urging the city to keep the cameras. https://www.change.org/p/keep-the-speed-cameras-in-brampton
Link to petition posted on change.org, urging the city to remove the cameras. https://www.change.org/p/ditch-the-speed-cameras-petition-for-immediate-removal-in-brampton-ontario
If there’s one place that needs those, it’s Brampton
Go car lobby go. Mad Max Fury Road on Ontario streets. As Dougie says, we’re going in full throttle! There’s no slowing this fucker down. Everything from broken down jalopies, impossible to read worn out license plates, overly tinted windows, fake out of jurisdiction plates, and optional stop signs. Stay off the sidewalk ya stupid pedestrians. "What did the driver look like that ran you down? " “I don’t know, he needed his tints.”
Doesn’t Doug hate Patrick too? I forget now
Efficiencies, folks.
Aw, is their passive rent-seeking machine getting shut down?
Ah yes, the “safety studies” where they pick a 200 m stretch of road and then conclude that because speed has reduced in that area because of the camera, that it means safety now.
Ignoring what happens when vehicles are outside of the capture range… Also ignoring the heavy increase in collisions at those intersections.
Found Ford’s alt account.
Where did you see that they increase collisions?
I’ve been following traffic science for decades. Look into it, there’s a heavy increase in collisions where cameras are present. And furthermore, credible analysis shows that to decrease speeding and increase safety (particularly at intersections) the main improvements are found by synchronizing lights and extending yellow times. But instead what happens is those underlying issues are ignored so the tax can be gathered and “cherry” jobs can be created for former policy-makers as happened in Winnipeg. It’s not about safety. It has a safety component, but as with most things, when you scratch and look below the surface, it’s a much more complex issue.
I personally feel, and you’re free to disagree, that the installation of a camera is an admission that real safety measures are being actively ignored. Shrink the number of lanes? Narrow them? Traffic-calming measures? More roundabouts and fewer timed lights? Nah, just slap a camera there.
Can you link some studies to start with? I am curious because I haven’t heard of any increase of collisions in my area and the speed has definitely dropped
Not parent commenter but just to add to the discussion, a higher number of minor crashes like low speed rear ending is still preferable over a small amount of life altering/ending crashes, and this is yet another way in which slower speeds makes a huge difference
I just want to add that “Look into it” is never a good argument; either you know of a study that shows this, in which case just link it (you’re the one with the burden of proof here), or don’t comment about imaginary data.
They don’t put speed cameras at intersections.
