Susan Lorincz has been charged with manslaughter with a firearm and assault in the June 2 shooting death of Ajike Owens.
So she was charged. Just not with murder. Which still sucks, but it is much better to go to court and find her guilty of manslaughter with a firearm and assault than it is to charge her with murder and have her be acquitted due to lack of evidence.
Yeah this one hell of a clickbaity title.
Florida you are a shit hole.
Charging Lorincz with murder would require prosecutors to provide evidence of hatred, spite, ill will or evil intent toward the victim at the time of the killing.
The alleged shooter told detectives that she called the victim’s children racist slurs in the months leading up to the slaying, admitting that she used “the n-word.”
Fucking pathetic. She should spend the rest of her life behind bars.
I’m not offering a moral answer, I’m just offering my commentary based on the people I have worked with who focus on “career progression”.
Yes the prosecutor could take this case, maybe they will win with enough time, effort and money. Or they can take the easy route and find an open and shut case that they will win with minimal effort, get another success under their belt and tick the boxes that allow them to build their career.
I know, it’s a sick and fucking twisted system, this is the reason why this shit happens however.
I wouldn’t be so quick to call a system “sick and twisted” when it encourages prosecutors to only pursue charges that they feel are open-and-shut rather than aiming for the worst possible charge when there’s actually doubt about the outcome.
There have been studies that indicate that the preventative nature of the justice system (ie, the extent to which it makes people who are about to commit a crime think to themselves “maybe I shouldn’t do this, in case I get caught”) is enhanced far more by the perceived chance of getting caught and convicted rather than the severity of the punishment that gets meted out. If someone’s standing ready with their gun and deciding whether to pull the trigger they tend not to think to themselves “will I get 10 years in prison or 30? If it’s 10 I’ll take it, 30 is too much.” They simply think “what are the odds I will face significant punishment for this at all?”
A lot of these racist assholes walk around thinking they’re completely entitled to start blasting, that nothing will happen to them or that they’ll be considered heroes. I would much prefer them to start thinking “I’ll definitely get 10 years in prison if I do this” than for them to think “I might get life in prison, or I might walk Scott-free.” Because these sorts of people will tend to assume the Scott-free outcome, since they work so hard to justify their asshole thoughts to themselves they’re likely to think others will also find them justified.
Manslaughter with a firearm and assault, its not the charges we want but they will almost certainly be proven and she will go away for a long, long time.
at the time of the killing
See, she was a racist piece of shit who hated blacks up until the day of the shooting but since she wasn’t overtly racist while she murdered the children’s mother it’s okay, they let those things go in Florida. What they don’t let go is things like letting people of color knock on doors in order to have conversations between adults.
How is bringing charges that will carry up to 30 years in prison “letting things go”, exactly?
aiming a firearm at the door, and pulling the trigger is legally insufficient to prove depraved mind.
That’s my favorite part. Yes, because totally rational, normal human beings who aren’t Danny DeVito just start blasting. Nothing to see here. What a clown show we’ve become.
Florida jury. Florida judge.
Her lawyers would probably argue something along the lines of how she was in fear for her life at that moment. Yes, that’s BS. But an important part of criminal law is the “beyond all reasonable doubt” part, and if her lawyer can create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury that she really didn’t want to kill someone then that’s enough to get her off on that charge.
Frankly, I’d prefer the legal system to err on the side of caution and innocence. Even when the person on the stand is “obviously” a terrible person. It’s easy for the media to depict someone as a terrible person even when they’re not, so let’s account for that situation before we account for the situation where she really is a terrible person.
Manslaughter’s got the possibility of a lengthy sentence, let’s see how that goes before we write the justice system off completely.
Manslaughter is likely the only charge they can effectively prove unless discovery turns up legally admissible evidence of premeditation that would be needed for murder charges. Being a crazy racist bitch in an of itself doesn’t necessarily equate to premeditation of murder, even if a fuck like the lady in this story seems to deserve such a charge.
For a good example of when manslaughter would be a more effective charge to pursue because its more likely to have actual punishment involved, look back at the George Zimmerman killing of Trayvon Martin case. Prosecutors fucked up by trying him for full on murder rather than a form of negligent manslaughter, which I continue to maintain that it was fully INTENTIONALLY done to throw the case by the States Attorneys office, maybe as a political strategy favor to Zimmerman’s father, a former judge. At the time I spoke with some attorneys in my family with criminal court experience, it appeared manslaughter rather than murder was far more easily demonstrable when evidence showed Zimmerman ignored the instruction of the 911 operator to not follow him:
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards? Zimmerman: The back entrance… Fucking punks. These assholes, they always get away… Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah. Dispatcher: Okay, we don’t need you to do that. Zimmerman: Okay.
A guilty verdict on murder requires intent and premeditation, and situationally a scenario can many times mask both intent and premeditation but it can’t really mask demonstrable negligence that leads to a killing.
The only effective justice to be found in this case may be a manslaughter charge with the jail time and penalties it brings. A murder charge more than likely ends in a not guilty plea, since any reasonable doubt towards the intent and premeditation means a not guilty verdict.
Lorincz had been angry over Owens’ children playing in a field close to her apartment.
The alleged shooter told detectives that she called the victim’s children racist slurs in the months leading up to the slaying, admitting that she used “the n-word.”
State Attorney William Gladson said his office determined there was insufficient evidence to file a murder charge against Lorincz. Charging Lorincz with murder would require prosecutors to provide evidence of hatred, spite, ill will, or evil intent toward the victim at the time of the killing.
I just don’t get it
It’s simple, white women are literally the most protected class on the planet.
And Florida is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally racist.
Defense attorney will preemporty strike most black jurors, judge will allow it. It’s Florida, prosecutors are charging what they think they can win.
The world’s legal systems are a mess, the West is a Plutocracy and the East is a Dictatorship.
We are all in a meat grinder.
Florida
I feel so bad for those kids. They were abused by this piece of shit and then lost their mother to her.
Fuck Florida.
Per the article, she’s facing manslaughter charges (max 30 years).
Given the facts in this case, aiming a firearm at the door, and pulling the trigger is legally insufficient to prove depraved mind
This blows my mind too. What the fuck kind of mind aims a firearm at the door with another human behind it and pulls the trigger?
