I know of someone who says they listen to Joe Rogan podcasts (political I assume) but I don’t know what this means or what the connotations are. Both this person and I live in east asia.
Joe Rogan is a clueless buffoon, and admits such, and leans libertarian. He also thinks he’s a neutral philosopher and doesn’t recognize his subjectivity.
A lot of uneducated people think they’re enlightened by listening to him but most of the time the show’s material is not really based in reality.
He’s a “libertarian” in the sense that like most libertarians…
he’s a conservative that’s too afraid to commit to the bit.
could you give a few examples? This person was listening to something about Joe Biden
His recent viral moment discussing Biden was about how he’s no longer lucid, and shouldn’t be let to run for a second term. His guest was trying to say how much worse trump was, but Rogan doesn’t really think either ought to be president in 2024.
any chance you could give a time period for this? was this a few months ago? this might have been what they were listening to
The most recent viral moment I can remember is the Bill Maher episode from Sept 2
Here it is, jumping in talking about Biden https://youtu.be/4btqj2Ghk04?si=Ug6eNsPM67kcatDN
Wow… Maher on Rogan.
That’s such a mass of overconfidence bias in one place that it seems like they should’ve collapsed into some sort of Dunning-Kruger singularity.
Wow… Maher on Rogan.
Can we pause and talk about how Maher is wearing a fucking Family Guy Star Wars shirt.
Yeah, that feedback loop is so intense it should be able to accelerate matter past the speed of light.
Indeed. It’s like the world championship of cosplaying as a smart person.
thank you!
You’ll see him try to criticize Biden but Maher doesn’t let him, because he just keeps going back to how much worse trump is. While probably correct, Rogan just wanted to dump on the prez without talking about trump, and Maher can’t seem to do that.
Because that’s always what Joe wants to do. Maher bringing up Trump was a breath of fresh air and a conversation Joe has tried to avoid.
but Rogan doesn’t really think either ought to be president in 2024.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He’s pushed pseudoscience from ice baths to loonie egypt bullcrap to just about all of the facebook posts your grandpa shares around with no critical thinking at all, conspiracy theories, discouraged young people from getting the vaccine, given a blank check of a platform with no opposition or fact checking to climate skepticism, transgender hate in sports, made LOTS of racist comments that just keep popping up, liberal use of the n word, fearmongering some slippery slopes about “the wokes”
I don’t know but if someone told me they listened to Joe Rogan, I would assume, the best case scenario is they are Libertarian. Worst case is Qanon nut job.
Yup, 100%. People don’t realize…
i don’t think he (the person I know) is a qanon, i don’t really know what that is but i don’t think we have those kind of people here in asia (our politics are focused on different things)
I don’t think he’s QAnon. I don’t think he believes MOST of the nutjobs that he lets on his show, or even cares what they believe. But he lets a bunch of QAnon people on his show, so a bunch of QAnon people listen to him. And he keeps letting weirdos on his show because that’s what his listeners want.
I would agree that the context is entirely different in Asia, his show is mostly harmful to Americans and wouldn’t affect other countries much.
I don’t think he’s separable from qanon or the alt-right. Enabling them to the extent he does means he’s one of them tacitly, if not officially.
Posted elsewhere, but what do you call 4 nazis drinking with a 5th person? 5 nazis.
Exactly.
i meant that the person i know is not qanon, i was responding to “I don’t know but if someone told me they listened to Joe Rogan, I would assume…Worst case is Qanon nut job.”
i meant that the person i know is not qanon
Part of this is bad phrasing because you are unaware of the movement but no one knows who Qanon is.
What people are talking about in this thread are people who follow the movement, and not who Qanon is. Of course your friend isn’t Qanon. That would be absurd.
But how do you know they aren’t posting on 4chan and following the movement? Is that what you are trying to say, that they don’t follow that sort of thing because you think its a movement that solely rooted in American politics?
I feel like the latter conclusion isn’t entirely true. If this is other countries’ exposure to political discourse, you should be concerned about the generations to follow, if we even make it that long as a species.
Fair, I think what I’m trying to say is that I wouldn’t expect Joe Rogan’s show to be as immediately offensive to those outside of America, who are missing the context of all the internal conflicts we have here.
i don’t think we have those kind of people here in asia
qanon is a 4chan/8chan thing that is part of www - that includes people posting from Asian countries. There are definitely Asians on there. There were definitely Asians who went along with that movement.
I’m Asian too. Has nothing to do with the qanon movement.
Joe Rogan is a bigot. If your friend subscribes to bigot content, they probably harbor some bigoted beliefs. Any sane, non-bigoted person would recognize the fucked up shit that gets platformed on Joe Rogan content, and promptly unsubscribe.
well, i don’t know fully. neither of us speaks english as a first language
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No he isn’t, and you’ve provided no evidence for this, you’re just wildly ranting buzzwords.
Rogan says dumb things regarding covid, but he has the opportunity to interview some amazing people and many significant conversations are part of his podcast history.
He platforms bigots and if there’s nine bigots at the table, and Joe Rogan sits down, there are ten bigots at the table.
Buzzwords my ass. Fuck Joe Rogan and the people that support him.
The longer you throw a tantrum without any evidence, the less convincing you are.
Rogan says he supports LGBT rights, gay marriage, racial equality, so if you’re going to swing the word bigot around like you know what it means, try providing evidence.
I don’t owe you shit. Don’t gas light me. Read the other 20 comments in this thread.
Buzz, buzz your words.
You’re making baseless claims that you can’t provide evidence for.
Asking for evidence is not gaslighting any more than rogan supporting gender equality makes him a bigot.
Have fun sitting at tables with bigots.
Buzz buzz buzzz your empty words
Bigot is a strong word for him. I guess if you are pro-trans athletes in sports you would find him that way, but I can’t really think of other issues where he expresses close minded views? Fucking guy learns and changes his mind when presented with evidence, which is a huge reason I can listen to him. Even if some of the subjects and guests are kinda fucked up or dull or misinformed.
Like, tulsi gabbard last week reading a thing from the UN and totally either misunderstanding it, or worse, twisting it into saying something it 100% wasn’t. And Rogan was just kinda like “I dunno maybe” as he’s not very confrontational, very often.
I mean off the top of my head, he laughed at a friend who “joked” about coercing women in to giving blowjobs by threatening to withhold gigs from them, he’s hosted Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh, the first “merely” transphobic, the second, a self confessed fascist and transphobe. He’s also suggested that supporting trans folk is a sign of society collapsing
As the person you’re replying to said, if someone subscribes to Rogan, they likely hold some bigoted beliefs, because the guy is absolutely a bigot, and actively chooses to spotlight and empower other bigots
He is a right wing extremism gateway. Also an antivaxxer, but I repeat myself.
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan they are easily susceptible to authoritarian propaganda and should be avoided.
Rogan brings on guests who argue in bad faith for topics which they are unqualified to comment upon. They provide no evidence and Joe immediately agrees with whatever random bullshit they spew out. Doing this creates the image of credibility (big podcast man agreed with psycho, maybe I should agree with psycho), and since perception is reality that image has value.
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan they are easily susceptible to authoritarian propaganda and should be avoided.
What if they’re just talking about his previous acting career?
That’s entertaining, and for frequent listeners it lowers the threshold of disbelief. Because obviously Joe has some areas or guests of true expertise. How to distinguish that from bullshit? He talks about all of these things in the exact same mannerisms.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about in regards to what I was saying?
Basically even if someone it talking about the previous acting career, which on the surface should seem credible. It’s really hard to properly judge if the person actually is creditable because of how often Joe will interview uncredible people and spin them as creditable.
Basically Joe’s creditability has be harmed so it’s hard to trust anything or anyone he talks to at face value
You know, I once tried to explain to someone on reddit that Joe Rogan wasn’t always bald and there is evidence of this when he was on Newsradio and he had a full head of hair back then.
Idiot on reddit just kept arguing that he was always bald and didn’t even care that video evidence was being posted because it was more important to hate Rogan than to accept factual evidence of something so incredibly minimal on the scale of things.
Like why would it be important if he was bald or not? And why would hating him be more important than something being a fact?
Anyway, I asked cause I love Newsradio but often can’t talk about it because people will either figure out that Joe Rogan was on there, or they already know and then think I’m a psychotic alt right idiot.
All because I watch a show that existed before that guy was ever doing a podcast.
The user you are responding meant “what if that someone that brings up Joe is just talking about his previous acting career?”, not “what if that someone that Joe brings to his show is just talking about his previous acting career?”
I think you read it as the second sentence but it’s quite clear since they quoted your first sentence, not the second one. And somehow they got downvoted for being confused with your response.
Joe Rogan is in the business of making reactionary content for people who respond (regardless of whether that response is good or bad) to reactionary content. A bit more advanced that YouTube videos of prank fake bank robberies or filling a car with cement. But still in the same vein. He says things about hot button issues that I don’t necessarily think he believes just to be controversial. He also tries to legitimise those opinions (even ones he doesn’t believe in), and his fans believe him and therefore hold him in high esteem.
There is the potential for the person you know to like him or his show because it’s absurdist in content. However it’s more likely that they like it because it feeds certain biases of there’s. A world view that they embrace that doesn’t necessarily match reality. The politics in your country may not be the same. But the politics in the US definitely have an effect on just about every other country in the world. Not all of Rogan’s takes are political. He spreads a lot of general misinformation. I wouldn’t be surprised if your acquaintance was just looking for validation in his content.
The connotation is that Rogan is an idiot who might be a decent guy, but he will say and do anything to prevent his guests from being pissed at him. This includes, but is not limited to, agreeing with some of the most toxic, misogynist, people you probably know.
He has never struck me as idiotic. Quite the opposite actually, he seems like he is probably pretty intelligent. But he’s not a decent guy. Basically I think you got both of those backwards. He’s a smart guy who has decided to sell whatever is most profitable, and what is most profitable for him is right-wing fascist bullshit.
I think you’re giving him far too much credit. Hanlon’s razor and all that
I really dont think hes as intelligent as youre giving him credit for. This clip where he rudely dismisses an expert showed me that he doesnt value anything more highly than his own overinflated ego.
Lot of unhelpful answers here. I’ll try my best.
In a nutshell, Joe was a UFC commentator who also avidly practices various martial arts. He’s also a successful stand-up comedian. Being personable and well connected, he started his podcast interviewing friends, comedians, and celebrities.
It should be fairly obvious how he appeals to people interested in masculine personalities. In particular teenagers, young men, and people who aren’t very secure in their masculinity tend to like him.
He had/has a rule of letting nearly anyone on the show so long as he felt he could have an interesting conversation with them. To massively simplify, this ultimately led to him having some questionable political provocateurs on the show, many right wingers. Combine this with Joe’s non-combative interview style, and his show ended up being a platform for some pretty out-there political theory. The way he talked about COVID struck many people as pretty irresponsible, for example.
Eventually, many who are left-of-center were scared of even associating with him. That’s a problem for your public image if you claim to be a centrist, as Joe does. Or at least he did, I haven’t kept up with him in a while.
TL;DR: if you listen to Joe Rogan’s podcast people might think you’re overly concerned with your masculinity or that you’re being indoctrinated into extreme right-wing politics.
Rogan has 2-3 hour interviews with people from every walk of life but got obsessed with COVID misinformation.
Rogan has explicitly supported gay rights/marriage, drug legalization, prison reform, and other leftist positions, but recently appears to have become swayed by right-wing talking points to the point that he is unnecessarily confrontational.
He has some amazing podcasts in the bank with amazing people, and has some newer podcasts that are garbage. He has like 1500 3-hour podcasts.
So look up some of the athletes, the biologists, the astronomers, geologists, a lot of interesting non-political podcasts before covid happened and you’ll probably learn a bunch of interesting things.
But anything remotely political in the past few years is pretty rough to the point that I haven’t listened to any of his podcasts since.
Politics aside I would say the connotation here is that this person isn’t very intelligent. I don’t mean that as a statement on their intelligence but instead that Joe Rogan falls into the category of anti-intellectual, low bar entertainment. I’d consider Joe Rogan to be the equivalent of a tabloid paper but for people who listen to podcasts.
For me, it kind of depends. If Rogan is interviewing an actor, comedian, or MMA/UFC fighter, he’s more in his element, and the interview can be alright. The problem is he’s kind of an “all sides” show and he doesn’t really understand all the stuff some of his guests pedal. This is problematic when he has folks on pedaling stuff where he doesn’t recognize and call out the potential toxicity. A good example is someone like Jordan Petersen. A guy whose credentials would seem to indicate he knows what he’s talking about. In reality, a lot of the MRA-adjacent BS he spews sounds somewhat reasonable, if a bit “edgy,” on its surface. Petersen knows it isn’t actually backed up by any research (which is where his credentials are), it’s just his musings that he’s found an audience, and quite a bit of money, espousing. This is a problem because Rogan doesn’t usually call this stuff out for the dog whistle that it is, and he has a massive audience.
FWIW, I haven’t listened to him in years, and didn’t listen to him very long to begin with.
The connotations are that they aren’t too bright. Joe Rogan is a comedian turned political influencer of sorts, and this same dude once said, on set, “I am an idiot. I don’t know shit. Nobody should take anything I say seriously.”
broken clock yada yada
Ask them their stance on apes. If they stay an ape could mess a dude up theyre probably just into martial arts. If they say something racial they are probably racist. And maybe you shouldn’t be friends with them.
To my knowledge the Rogan community is strong advocates of the idea that most other great apes can beat us up.
i actually can’t tell if you’re serious or joking lol
I often can’t too.
What if their response is “unzips Dicks out for Harambe”?
Thst thing’ll rip your arms off, bro
I’ll try to give an unbiased answer. Joe Rogan podcasts aren’t just political, but they do discuss political topics frequently in conversation. The connotation for a regular listener is that they are very likely to be misinformed, plain and simple as that. As many have already said, it’s likely that they are libertarian at best or into conspiracy theories and alt-right at worst. I’ll explain why:
He brings in a lot of different guests to his podcasts. These guests could be celebrities, athletes, book authors, researchers, actors, etc. Sometimes he would have politicians, from left and right. He would also bring in people who spread conspiracy theories, aka “qanon” types.
He never confronts any of his guests. Some people hate him for it, others listen to him precisely because of that.
Rogan gives a platform equally to all of his guests and presents and treats them all as if on the same level of legitimacy. This means, today he interviews a scientist who is an eminence in their field, with 30 years experience in research… and next week he brings in some influencer on the same topic, who doesn’t understand the science behind what they say. Both guests sound equally knowledgeable to the average listener.
The problem with this is that this spreads misinformation, and if you as a listener are not already well informed on the topic then you are likely to fall for it. Most people don’t question everything they hear, let alone understand in depth anything discussed superficially over a podcast. This is evident with science, but it gets really hairy when you add politics and personal values/morals to the mix.
I hope this helps you understand better.
"He never confronts any of his guests. "
This is false as of the past year or two (post-Covid). Now whenever he has a scientist on, he’ll argue and disagree with them, especially if the topic is Covid, vaccines, or climate change. He really likes the gish-gallop argument method where he spews a bunch of long since discredited claims on the topic.
Yeah he does confront his guests (though not any of the alt-right or qanon ones). It’s pretty clear he has an agenda, despite everyone claiming he’s just some kind of enlightened centrist.
I’ll take your word for it, I haven’t listened to any of his for several years now.
A lot of the comments above are super creepy in how neutral they are on Rogan, who is well known to be a far right conspiracy crank who mostly platforms other cranks and super bigoted people and credulously spreads their claims as accurate.
He very rarely has actual decent people on and, frequently when he does so, tries to argue with them that they’re wrong. Especially if they’re scientists.
Wow
