Tesla could solve most of their problems by firing Musk. Any other public company whose CEO makes a very public Nazi salute would fire that CEO.
Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder, but I think simply getting him out of the company would give a lot of people the sense that he faced some personal consequences for his actions, and that any companies who deal with Musk will also face consequences.
We should give Elon more billions as an interim bonus instead.
-The Tesla board, probably
The companies board and senior leadership are his family and loyalists, therefore the company is fascist and should be destroyed, regardless of Space Karens involvement.
The board is filled with family and close friends. They’ll protect him as long as possible.
They’ll lose the ship to save one expendable captain.
If they’re so determined to protect their Nazi captain, perhaps they deserve to lose the ship.
Id rather just see Tesla burn to the ground.
It won’t… they will bail it ot with taxpayer money. Like it or not every US citizen will buy some Telsa stock (but never own it). Capitalism for thee, but communism for me if the business fails.
Good, let the USA burn their money and tank their economy bailing out a company nobody would buy a car from
Exactly, Musk needs to go. Even apart from his abhorrent behaviour this dude supposedly has so many jobs, how can he possibly be doing them all to a reasonable standard let alone one deserving of his insane compensation.
Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder, but I think simply getting him out of the company would give a lot of people the sense that he faced some personal consequences for his actions
On one hand, that might indeed satisfy a lot of the public. On the other hand, we ought to consider that a bad outcome because the real goal should be to tank TSLA to the point that Musk’s holdings no longer suffice as collateral and he’s forced to sell Xitter.
He would need to get rid of his stock before I even consider buying from any of his companies’ products.
Not getting starlink for my van. I guess I’ll have to stick close to cell towers on work days.
Yes, he’d still be a large shareholder
If they fire him, he would sell. This would tank the stock value.
They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
The stovk price is also all vibes based around him.
Edit: he wouldn’t sell, though. He couldn’t sell that much. He also has a bunch of loans leveraged against his stock aa collateral. Those collapse if the stock price collapses.
- Large shareholders can’t just sell. There are rules to prevent stock manipulation
- He’d be the first victim of tanking the stock. Not in his best interest
- He can’t sell any shares used for collateral
His family members and deep associates are on the board, they voted to pay him $55 billion. They’re all corrupt.
I wonder how much money firing him would cost. The initial pay package was a stupid $56 billion. They’d probably have to pay pretty much that amount, and then hire a new CEO still.
Even after losing 50% of their value their market cap is still ~750 billion. They’re still valued at nearly 3x what Toyota is, and leagues above any other auto manufacturer. Their investors won’t do anything until they lose way more value, sadly.
Tesla could solve most of their problems by firing Musk.
They could have done this a LONG time ago… now the damage is done. Nobody would care he is no longer CEO (although that may help Tesla develop better cars), people are not going to want to drive a Swasticar anyway nor give money to a literal Nazi
Short of selling all his stock and completely disappearing from the public eye, Musk completely destroyed Tesla. There are simply better options that do not include helping/associating with a Nazi
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And ending production of the Swastitruk would help.
I think him being the shareholder is the problem. I don’t care if we was to step down as CEO, I want to see him hurt financially. Especially since he bought twitter off his Tesla stocks. Hit his stock hard enough and when it comes time to pay for twitter, he’ll be fucked.
You’re right, but I suspect most people wouldn’t see it that way with regards to Tesla. Depending on the terms of his current compensation package, I suspect it would be better for him financially if he just stepped down and held onto the stock.
But he’s such a narcissist that he’d never do that.
If they fire him as the CEO. Now that would be interesting to see the turning events of that whole company. It would definitely salvage the massive amount of loss within their company. Which is insane because they would just have to fire Elon as the CEO. But I don’t know if they can salvage the company because the reputation of it all. The damage is massive.
At this point it is most likely that it’s the dealerships themselves trying to burn these for the insurance.
Tesla’s aren’t selling?
- Set them on fire.
- Claim that it’s arson.
- File insurance claim.
- Profit.
I don’t hear Alex Jones screaming about inside jobs.
Probably because he’s way too far up EMu’s ass.
He’s still around? Whatever happened to people knowing when to call it quits and leave everyone’s lives… I swear, ever since the 2000’s and onward people just kind of stick around forever now. Guess that’s another awful side effect of the internet.
He sure is and I hear you! It’s unbelievable how cringy his show is now.
One of my favorite podcasts where they spend an ungodly amount of time dissecting his horseshit and laughing at him.
Upvote for Knowledge Fight!
I used to listen to Alex Jones for fun way before he was big. It was genuinely entertaining. Then Sandyhook happened and it wasn’t so funny anymore.
Knowledge Fight is like finding friends to make fun of Alex Jones with :)
Such a great podcast! Absolute Talmudic in its thoroughness.
‘Know Rogan’ is a pretty good new addition if you haven’t checked it out yet.
I’ll check it out!
I count myself among the lucky who has never heard that overgrown thumb talk for longer than a sound bite.
“It’s a fact: jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to make steel girders melt! It was the lithium-ion batteries from a Model Y and a Cybertruck fired by railgun into the Twin Towers, with Dick Cheney and Saul of Saul’s 3rd Avenue Deli pulling the triggers. People seen jumping out of windows were actually trans crisis actors wearing batwing suits, who nowadays tour encampments of Venezuelan gang members and Haitian cat rustlers across the Heartland with their drag, Spanish-language version of Hamilton. Buy my supplements!”
Whoa, sorry, don’t know what came over me there.
I mean if they are the ones setting them on fire they don’t need to claim it is arson since it is. They just need to claim they weren’t the arsonists.
Probably. Unfortunately side effect is it constantly reinforce in people, “wow people really hate teslas” and further damaging the brand. I find it hard to believe Canadians would due this kind of a thing. Not that they couldn’t, i just have a hard time believing it.
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Tesla doesn’t have dealerships. All sales centers are corporate owned.
I don’t think that bit of syntax changes the point at all.
It does. A dealership is an independent entity. If cars were purposely being damaged, it would be Tesla doing that and not another company that sells Tesla vehicles.
The corporate structure is not what the grandparent is referring to, it’s committing arson to defraud insurance that he’s really referring to. Any other “aKsHuALlY” details you added are distinctions without difference.
There is a huge difference between an independently owned franchise committing arson vs the manufacturer.
largest car vandalism reported in Canada… so far.
It’s very sad that people care more about the feelings of cars than the feelings of people. Cars fucking suck. Cars are tools of oppression.
It’s not about the cars. It’s about what a powerful billionaire is doing to people.
Targeting the cars is just a way to discourage Telsa ownership, tank the stock, and give Musk less power and leverage. A lot of his power comes from his ability to borrow against Tesla.
For the past 100 years car dependency has been the sole reason for the destruction of the working class. Henry Ford the Nazi, combined with conspirators in the US government, bulldozed low income neighborhoods to build highways and create suburban utopias for rich white folk.
Car dependency is a disease which needs to be cured.
Ok, but the point still remains. This vandalism isn’t about the cars. It’s about taking money out of a billionaire’s pocket. People would be vandalizing Starlink satellites if they could reach them.
It’s not about the cars, the cars and stores are just an accessible target. This is about Musk and DOGE.
People would be vandalizing Starlink satellites if they could reach them.
Hold my beer. *picks up rock
Don’t even get me started on how car companies bought those lovely trams just to dismantle them afterwards
The feelings of cars…?
Precisely
Is it though?
In the words of Duke Nukem, “Hail to the king baby”
The king being us, the people, who outnumber the billionaires, the billionaires who can still bleed.
And if it bleeds we can kill it.
I guess he should have said “Hail to the proletariat”?
Ok but go at the billionaires. Not Dave from Accounting.
Useful idiots don’t get a pass for what they’ve done.
The man was a piece of shit before the first car rolled off. If you didn’t know it’s because you didn’t care.
Quite frankly we need to start shaming people bad for the products they buy because money is support under capitalism. If you buy something you are supporting that company and all the evil they do.
On the other hand, if you only pay for things that don’t support evil, you’ll starve in Capitalism.
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I’d prefer not to starve, if you don’t mind.
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The cars are fine, it’s the family and board that are dirty and rotten.
You cannot seriously claim that all 100k Tesla employees are Nazis just by association. That’s ridiculous. It’s a car company.
Hell, Henry Ford was a Nazi.
Boring little goblin aint ya
Those are rookie numbers, we need to get them higher!
Burn it all down! Every thing that fascist fuck has!
We need anonymous to dismantle Twitter and plummet it all so it can be amongst all the other apps that went to the grave.
From Twitter’s “Fail Whale” to X’s “Fash Crash”. Make it happen, Anonymous!
If the bots and toxicity haven’t killed it, I don’t know what we could even do at this point.
Ugh you are correct, I just wish there was a way to send a virus or something towards the bots. There has to be a way to dismantle them permanently.
Not all that surprising that Canadians are especially pissed off. Didn’t he say Canada isn’t a real country and then he deleted the Tweet afterwards? Yes he did…
Of course he would have deleted it, so nice capture! And thanks for sharing. What a loser manchild -Elon
Wow. He actually deleted a Tweet? He usually stands by all the stupid shit he’s said, proudly at that.
Teslas are not real cars
South Park did it first
#BlameCanada
The entire point of the “blame Canada” joke is that it’s making fun of people who tried to blame their own problems on something that had nothing to do with the underlying cause for those problems.
In the song Kenny’s parents literally say “should we blame the matches, or should we blame the fire, or the doctors who allowed him to expire? no blame Canada!”
The final verse really drives the nail home just in case anyone in the audience somehow didn’t get it:
Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
For the smut we must stop, the trash we must smash
The laughter and fun must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming us!
I wonder what the insurance premium on a Tesla is these days?
The damage included “deep scratches and punctured tires.”
Probably about the same as any other car.
Edit:
a 2015 Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) study found that the Tesla Model S had higher claim frequencies, severities and overall losses than comparable large luxury cars. The higher claim severity was thought to be attributed to the car’s battery replacement cost — a whopping $16,000.
So teslas insurance has always been more expensive, and this sure isn’t going to help.
I’d imagine that they’ll be more expensive to insure in the future if they are getting targeted en masse.
If red cars are more expensive to insure, a tesla has to be more expensive too, right?
No, my 2019 model 3 is almost twice as expensive as my son’s 2023 Prius.
Oh no… Any way…
oh no.
Anyway…
When Trump said he’d prosecute tesla vandals “with the full force of the law” it really highlights the unequal enforcement in our system. Its like saying “I’m going to turn on law enforcement right now just for this issue”. He clearly does not believe in laws or law enforcement, or else he’d see how absurd a statement it was.
This and their dismantling of the EPA, IRS, FBI, and justice system shows that republicans are soft on crime, soft on wealthy tax evaders, soft on the legal system in general, and disrespectful of law enforcement, except insomuch as they can be used as personal storm troopers for issues they care about-- usually to promote racism and class stomping of the poors.
Republicans are soft on America, but rock hard for Russia. I hope republican voters are proud.
I hope republican voters are proud.
You damn right they’re proud! As long as the powerful white man is hurting the right people to keep them in their place they’ll vote republican forever.
How does the saying go? The core principle of conservatism is there are people the law binds but does not protect, and people the law protects but does not bind?
Or, another similar insight: liberals judge actions as good or bad and judge people by their actions. Conservatives judge people as good or bad and judge actions by the person performing them.
What Trump realized is he doesn’t have to even pretend to enforce the laws objectively. Conservative Americans want selective enforcement. They want the government to go after liberals and leftists and minorities with the full voice of the law. They want law enforcement to ignore conservative crimes and hunt down liberal crimes, because conservatives are good people so their mistakes can be forgiven, but liberals are bad people so they must be guilty of something.
And that’s where Biden fucked up. He had the FBI go after Trump relentlessly for four years in the belief that, if he could find enough bad actions Trump did, he could discourage conservatives from supporting him in 2024. What he didn’t realize is, Trump’s supporters would never condemn any crimes Trump committed, because they believe Trump is a good person and therefore what he does isn’t a crime.
All Biden did was give Trump an excuse to send his FBI after his political enemies too. And Trump and his supporters are happy to use that power far more widely than Biden did.
All cars matter
those are rookie numbers, we can do better!
The dealership has insurance and destroyed cars are like sold cars for Te… that company. Or am I missing something?
Insurance companies are now talking about canceling Tesla coverage because of the high risk of vandalism, so it’s making people (including dealerships) rethink their options.
So it’s working.
Yes.
Big thing is that people now know Telsa’s are not just sold by a loon, they’re a vandalism target. Which is two pretty big reasons no to buy a car from Musk.
Even if you like Musk, do you want to have high insurance rates and spend time at the body shop?
and spend time at the body shop?
Fun fact: not only do Cybertrucks have bare stainless steel body panels, which are extremely difficult and expensive to repair because you have to bodywork them perfect since you can’t use body filler, they have a frame made out of aluminum, which for various metallurgical reasons (work-hardening, forming a passivation layer that makes it much harder to weld, etc.) is also very difficult and expensive to repair.
In that sense, you’re probably less likely to spend time at the body shop with a Cybertruck because it’s designed to be damn near disposable.
Although, since most people seem to be keying, spray painting, and putting stickers on these cars, the stainless is very easy to clean. Just rub some steel wool in the direction of the stainless grain. Apparently they don’t have any clear coat. You can clean them like an industrial stovetop.
Yeah, the damage would have to physically displace (i.e. dent) or chemically corrode the surface of the panel in order to be difficult to fix.
Does burning count as any of these, by any chance?
Yes. High heat can cause the metal to corrode faster or even melt. (And, ya know, completely destroy the rest of the car.)
They will have to pay here, yes. And then they will cancel the contract, because high risk and not worth it. The second act of vandalism will then hurt. And the question is: Will the insurance give them the “new” (catalog) price or the “market value” price?
Couple of claims by a dealership and their insurance will get cancelled.
“So, you’re saying we get one free claim for as many cars as we can burn in one night without loosing our insurance?” - Them, probably.
Does Tesla use dealerships in Canada? In the U.S., they don’t. They have showrooms owned by the company itself and you order online. My state requires dealerships1 and just have service centers here.
1 It’s a wildly antiquated law. When cars first came out, states passed laws requiring dealerships to guarantee the car companies could service the vehicles. Those laws are still on the books basically because car dealership owners are generally rich people who buy state legislatures. (And there’s a shocking amount who are state legislators.)
Tesla does not have dealerships.
Destroyed cars?
The damage included “deep scratches and punctured tires.”
From the article. A quick polish and a time swap and they’re as good as new.
I doubt that insurance pays retail price to the dealers.
Make their insurance super high.
