Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video.
As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged.
According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body.
Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post.
Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.
53% of Palestinians (not only Gazans, where the % is likely significantly higher) are supporters of Hamas.
Source:
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
the rest of them support fatah who just released a statement condoning the attacks.
When ISIS shot up a israeli civilian, Palestinians (both in gaza and west bank) was cheering FOR ISIS.
There is no alternative. Palestine is a failed Islamist state.
Israel took their lands and kicked them out of their houses, kills them by the hundreds, the world does nothing because Israel is a friend of the US who do you think they are going to turn to if not to rebels?
I support them turning to rebels. I don’t support them turning to terrorists who intentionally murder innocent civilians. There is a large distinction between the two.
That’s my point, I don’t think anyone that is sane and in good faith supports any terrorist organization but you can’t blame the population of Gaza to see in Hamas their defenders.
I’m in a couple of arguments right now with blatant Hamas supporters. And not the religious ones, just the edgy “anyone anti Israel is unequivocally good even when they rape and murder civilians”.
I hope these dumbasses grow up a bit.
I’m sure you’ll change their views. Godspeed!
Sure I can. They turned to terrorists who murder innocent civilians. They should not do that.
What alternative do they have?
they can not do that.
“Have you tried not being repressed?”
More like, “have you tried attacking only military targets and not massacring civilians”?
And get crushed by Israel? That’s not a choice.
Supporting Hamas is what is going to get them crushed even further.
Because killing unarmed civilians definitely gives them a military advantage in the conflict /s
I love that the answer to alternatives is “not that.” So you suggest they continue to do nothing and let the IDF kill innocent people? This isn’t “good” but neither is the status quo.
I love the dishonest replies that pretend “not that” means “nothing at all.”
There are many choices besides “nothing” and “murder innocent people.” Even if those were the only choices, nothing is better. Hurting innocent people doesn’t improve the lives of Palestinians. It makes them worse. It also hurts innocent people.
So give them a solution they’ve never thought of before. I’m sure your internet degree is sufficient to convince them.
Everyone likes to preach about how it’s wrong to do the thing they’re doing, but nobody EVER has an alternative that will actually work, or hasn’t been tried before.
I don’t have a solution, and THIS certainly isn’t it, but then I’m not dragging a soapbox around with me.
Go give the IRA a better solution. Go give the American colonists a better solution against the redcoats. Give the poor of france a better solution during the French revolution.
I don’t have a better way, but don’t pretend like you do
A better way was offered at Camp David in 2000. Arafat walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer. Israeli PM Barak offered deeply unpopular and unprecedented concessions. Saudi prince Bandar described not accepting the deal or negotiating further as criminal. Arafat won popularity when he walked away.
That is just one incident in a long and complicated history, but the point is that there’s more than enough blame to go around and there were other options.
Time and again, both parties chose to continue further down this road. They’ll likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I say likely, because that isn’t even the worst case scenario. Israel’s government is arguably borderline far right now, so it’s not impossible that this will all escalate so much that there one way or another, it’s ‘resolved’ through outright violence.
I am not claiming I have a solution. Far from it. I am in no position of authority or influence. In fact, it’s not my responsibility to fix the conflict. I am merely condemning the assault, rape, and murder of innocent people. I do not believe there is any justification for this.
In their eyes, Israel has been hurting innocent people since this began. They received no international condemnation for it. The innocent people in Palestine went largely ignored by the international community.
I don’t understand how that is a response or argument. I agree with your description of events. I’m disagreeing with the response. Yes, they’ve been treated unfairly. No, beating, raping, and murdering innocent people is not an acceptable response.
Yes. All of that is correct. And still there are many choices besides “nothing” and “murder innocent people.”
Somehow whenever this is shown it’s almost like saying the Gazans deserve it. Do they really deserve to be between a rock and a hard place every day and forever?
Literally every rebellion is fueled by terrorism. I’m just going to assume you’re from the US, because the odds are high. Look into our rebellion. It’s not particularly pretty. The difference between something being called a rebellion or terrorism is which side you’re on, and in the future which side won.
Edit: Usually media doesn’t go into this, but some does. I appreciate how Star Trek Deep Space 9 analyzes terrorism and discusses how it’s sometimes necessary and sometimes it’s evil, and sometimes it’s a necessary evil. I also appreciate how Andor has done this for Star Wars. The rebellion there has always been this pristine thing to the viewers, but Andor dives into how it has to behave behind the scenes. It’s not just the epic battles of our main heroes, it’s a fight between life and death for everyday people who are severely under-armed.
I strongly disagree, but I suspect this will quickly devolve into an argument about the semantics of “terrorism.” So I’ll focus on this part: “intentionally murder innocent civilians.” I do not agree that all successful rebellions required the intentional murder of innocent civilians.
That part is debatable, and it also depends on the semantics of innocent. If you announce you want to irradicate the other people, are you innocent? If you vote for that, are you innocent? Guilt doesn’t just require carrying a gun or Hitler would be innocent.
The problem with the word terrorism is its all semantics. Every government (or sudo-government entity) is a terrorist if you want them to be. It’s a useless word. If you use fear or force to try to enforce something, you’re a terrorist. The IDF walks around with guns to keep things in check. That’s terrorism by almost any definition, but it depends on who’s talking.
Rebels who do nothing aren’t really rebels though. Think of star wars.
The death star had tons of independent contractors.
The death star was a military base they a attacked a military base.
The rebels didn’t murder and rape the ewoks in the middle of the yub nub festival.
This is a fair point. I didnt really pay as much attention as to how it all went down, i know they blew up a tank and a few people died and hostages were taken. All that being said, it is illegally conquered land and it is immediately next to a military installation.
Havent heard about rape yet
That woulda been a very different movie
You really haven’t seen any of the headlines and videos about the girls they kidnapped, raped, beat and then shot to death? Or the families, including children, that they murdered? There’s video all over the internet, how did you miss it?
Well regardless, now you know. True acts of barbarism against innocent civilians.
It seems you don’t pay much attention to the history of jerselum either. The “rightful” owners of the land depends on when you claim that this is when ownership was established.
Bad analogy. Death Star is not a civilian target.
Israeli settlements and military bases are installed by the government to keep control of an illegally conquered area.
If you are looking to liberate that land, stuff installed by the the offending government for military purposes is not civilian.
Israel is using its own citizens for it’s benefit without regard for their safety.
I’m not arguing rebels should do nothing. I’m arguing they should not assault, rape, and murder innocent women.
Yeah, and blowing it up was a shit move and not okay. Fuck the rebels pulling that kind of shit.
Destroy its weapon system, sure. But not blow up the whole station. I mean the only difference here is that the Imperium blew up an actual planet, not an artificial one.
Imagine virtue signalling for the literal Nazi allegory
Didn’t you know that might makes right? Do you even lift, bro?
/s
If I took your family’s house and people’s sovereignty away for a few generations would you still be able to stand on your moral highground?
Are you asking if I’d rape and murder innocent women if I felt aggrieved by a third party? I can confidently say that, no, I would not do that. Is that really standing on a moral high ground, or just not being a murderous, psychopathic, piece of shit?
Go live in Gaza and show them all how morally superior you are.
If I lived in Gaza I would be royally pissed at Hamas but wouldn’t say a thing because I enjoy being alive. If I lived in Gaza I would understand that the leadership was corrupt and pocketed millions of dollars of Israeli and international aid intended to allow Gaza to have its own power and water plants. If I lived in Gaza I would do my best not to live in Gaza, but would be not allowed to leave because no Arab country wants any more Palestinians then they already have.
No I was saying step outside of your own experience and really try to empathize with others. You should do it in all issues. Your other comment I felt showed you mostly ignored that.
I can understand that a person in a barbaric situation would turn to barbarism.
It is our responsibility as sentient beings to NOT do that. For some of us it is easier than others. But it is everyone’s responsibility. Regardless of circumstance.
Right – But to make desperate people who cheer misguidedly ‘the other’ and different from us dehumanizes them which comes with all kinds of bad side effects, many of which you can see on display here.
You can do both – You can not condone violence while understanding why a group of people treated like they’re not people can fail to uphold high morals in this situation without gloating or pretending they’re made of stuff you’re not. We’re all just people.
Nope. They failed the test of basic humanity. Their test was more difficult than ours, but they still failed.
No sympathy. Understanding, but not sympathy.
I can’t sympathise with murderous rapists. I can’t imagine any common ground. I sympathise with the peaceful people of Palestine. Those few who don’t support Hamas.
And those few make enough loud booms that create red mist carnage to ruin it for the rest of the people. Israel’s response to terrorism is understandable. The problem is that modern-day zealots do shit like create illegal settlements. Israel tried preventing illegal settlements to be repaid with more bombs. Now they know they’re going to get attacked either way. This will not end well, especially with Israel’s current government.
Citi Bank took my parents’ home and thus any inheritance the family had coming. So one can theoretically go murder those executives’ children as compensation and be morally right, yes? Or is putting in more identifiable terms highlighting how insane that logic actually is?
Native Americans can invade American preschools and cut the throats of all the toddlers similar to what Hamas has uploaded to the internet with Israeli kids, yes?
Don’t you see the slippery slope and immoral position you hold here?
Bad people love to wear the mantle of victim because it justifies all the evil shit they do.
the death toll is a bit higher than that
5,590 Palestinians and 251 Israelis died in conflict from 2008–2020
*Are still actively kicking
ukrainians were treated worse. did they kill and rape civilians intentionally? meanwhile
If Palestine stop fighting there would be peace. If Israel stop fighting there will be no. Israel. each time Palestinians are the aggressors. [
Israel is not the aggressor. Both the war of Independence (1948) and the Yom Kippur war (1973) were initiated by Arab forces. The Six-day war was initiated by Israel, but it was a preemptive strike and there’s no doubt the Arabs were planning on attacking sooner rather than later, so you can count that in as well.
Oh, and I guess you can count some of the bigger escalations between Israelis and Palestinians as wars, if you’d like. In that case, both the first and second Intifadahs were initiated by Palestinians.
Since you are comparing it to Ukraine, this would be like saying that the war in Ukraine is justified because Ukrainians didn’t stop fighting and gave up the Donbass and Crimea to the Russians.
If Palestinians stopped fighting they would cease to exists.
If they won’t give up their genocidal ideas they deserve to cease to exist. ignoring also the 2 state solution proposed many times that is ALWAYS turned down by Palestine. Funny how that works aint it?
BTW this is taken directly from the founding charter of HAMAS, “our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious” and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel."
before gaza did palestine cease to exist?
if israel really does not want palestine it can just get rid of it in a snap.
How do you mean? Peace in an apartheid state where they are always behind a separation wall or a checkpoint?
Which was in direct response toooo… Suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism.
It’s amazing, it actually led to a dramatic decrease in suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism (until it didn’t). I was against the wall because it led to less opportunities for interaction, but after seeing the precipitous drop in terrorism, I can understand why even progressive Israelis were not shedding too many tears when the walls started being built en masse.
This is true, but many people are turning blind eyes to this fact.
there is so much to unpack here the Palestinian narrative is very misunderstood.
If Palestinians stopped fighting, there would still be illegal settlements encroaching on their already-compromised territory. Palestinians missed real opportunities for peace MANY MANY times. Only one real peace effort was ruined by Israel (the ultra orthodox murdering Yitzhak Rabin).
I mean, no, the Israelis are aggressors, in that they walked into an existing country and tried to claim a vast amount of it. They’re the Confederacy, but not even from the same country originally.
Yeah it’s almost like Israel has been sabotaging all peace talks for decades.
The only side in this conflict that could have ended it was Israel, back when Palestine was not controlled by Hamas, but they instead chose to destroy any chance at that.
And then they of course continued to blockade Gaza, starve people, block their access to water, continue illegal settlements, and so on.
Israel is a genocidal fascist state.
not more than palestine.
jews and palestinians are more safer in israel than in palestine.
The people in Palestine are unsafe because of the powerful fashist state trying to wipe them out.
Jews and Palestinians in Israel are safer because they have all the military power and funding from the American religious quacks.
It’s not a fair comparison.
Edit: leaving the typo for context further down
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The person above me made a grammatical error. I didn’t call them out nor do I think it voids an otherwise perfectly coherent statement. This is because I’m not a cunt.
Also can you point out what I misspelt, my phone’s dictionary isnt’t complaining. Thank you.
You spelt fascist as fashist but it is still perfectly readable to anyone.
Oops lol looked it up and TIL fashist was a fascist magazine
So you talk about politics, but don’t even know the basics. Nice.
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Your own source contradicts you about the Fatah number…
You’re not supposed to read the links…
/s
Seriously tho, it’s a huge problem on lemmy where people just throw a random link in a comment and nobody checks it
I noticed that since the day I got here. If you spoke shit on Reddit you were destroyed by fact checkers. That doesn’t happen here.
Not praising Reddit. Not condemning Lemmy. Just stating an observation.
Probably just fewer people, so less likely to have that 1% that actually read the links.
Or banned by hyper partisan mods.
Fediverse is really feifdomverse.
It will take years for communities to shake out the power hungry morons who jumped here for the sole purpose of being in charge.
People in this thread are far too busy comparing the situation to anime or star wars to read about it and form their own opinions.
I always answer surveys about the local killers accurately.
The absurd thing is that Israel helped create and fund Hamas initially as a counterweight to the largely secular leftist Palestine Liberation Organization under Yasser Arafat. This whole situation is partially blowback from an Israeli effort to divide-and-conquer Palestine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/opinion/letters/israel-gaza-palestinians.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
The secular PLO has now largely been supplanted by Hamas in Gaza.
Blowback like this is the hidden story of the modern age. Every world and regional power has attempted it and been burned, multiple times over.
Heck, one could argue it’s exactly what happened in 1776, and the trend has never stopped!
I don’t know what thought would be more depressing: if you’re just shilling, and this is your job (We know the are lots of people who do what you just did, for a living), or if you actually believe what you’re saying.
I’m not sure which is worse.
To be honest, Palestine is lucky that Israel is governed by a people who survived the worst genocide the world has ever seen. It is their restraint that saves Palestine from being exterminated as they so richly deserve. No other nation would hold back for this long.