Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video.
As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged.
According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body.
Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post.
Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.
There is exactly nothing I can say about Hamas or Isreal that doesn’t make me seem like a huge piece of shit. What a shitty situation between 2 shitty groups and it’s unfortunate others are being pulled into it.
Yeah at this point the world would do well to either put a giant glass dome over them. Soundproof, of course.
Well, actually… Chernobyl has shown us how to establish a long lasting war-free zone.
Most peaceful place on Earth, even while surrounded by an ongoing war, self-preserving whether soldiers know to not dig trenches in the red forest or not, great for nature and wildlife, and it’s going to be like that for the next 20,000 years or so.
If evangelicals have their say, they might get something similar going on in the region:
https://jacobin.com/2022/02/israeli-us-evangelical-alliance-zionism-antisemitism
Pripyat should be habitable again in the next 200-300 years. We may not survive that long, but the radiation levels are checked pretty regularly, and steadily dropping. The Sarcophagus may take a bit longer than that before it’s safe to clean up.
Well, actually… Chernobyl has shown us how to establish a long lasting war-free zone.
Actually, no.
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Captured on February 24th.
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Ran away with radiation poisoning on April 1st.
Sounds like a decent war-free area.
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Hopefully it’s air leak proof too.
is the joke that you want them all to suffocate to death?
There is a novel by Stephen King “Under the Dome”. A tv series also was made with similar name.
As expected from Uncle Iroh. It’s a horrible situation all around.
Even iroh wouldn’t side with terrorists. Specially iroh
I think it’s a containment zone at this point.
53% of Palestinians (not only Gazans, where the % is likely significantly higher) are supporters of Hamas.
Source:
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
the rest of them support fatah who just released a statement condoning the attacks.
When ISIS shot up a israeli civilian, Palestinians (both in gaza and west bank) was cheering FOR ISIS.
There is no alternative. Palestine is a failed Islamist state.
Israel took their lands and kicked them out of their houses, kills them by the hundreds, the world does nothing because Israel is a friend of the US who do you think they are going to turn to if not to rebels?
I support them turning to rebels. I don’t support them turning to terrorists who intentionally murder innocent civilians. There is a large distinction between the two.
That’s my point, I don’t think anyone that is sane and in good faith supports any terrorist organization but you can’t blame the population of Gaza to see in Hamas their defenders.
I’m in a couple of arguments right now with blatant Hamas supporters. And not the religious ones, just the edgy “anyone anti Israel is unequivocally good even when they rape and murder civilians”.
I hope these dumbasses grow up a bit.
I’m sure you’ll change their views. Godspeed!
Sure I can. They turned to terrorists who murder innocent civilians. They should not do that.
What alternative do they have?
they can not do that.
There are many choices besides “nothing” and “murder innocent people.” Even if those were the only choices, nothing is better. Hurting innocent people doesn’t improve the lives of Palestinians. It makes them worse. It also hurts innocent people.
Somehow whenever this is shown it’s almost like saying the Gazans deserve it. Do they really deserve to be between a rock and a hard place every day and forever?
Literally every rebellion is fueled by terrorism. I’m just going to assume you’re from the US, because the odds are high. Look into our rebellion. It’s not particularly pretty. The difference between something being called a rebellion or terrorism is which side you’re on, and in the future which side won.
Edit: Usually media doesn’t go into this, but some does. I appreciate how Star Trek Deep Space 9 analyzes terrorism and discusses how it’s sometimes necessary and sometimes it’s evil, and sometimes it’s a necessary evil. I also appreciate how Andor has done this for Star Wars. The rebellion there has always been this pristine thing to the viewers, but Andor dives into how it has to behave behind the scenes. It’s not just the epic battles of our main heroes, it’s a fight between life and death for everyday people who are severely under-armed.
Literally every rebellion is fueled by terrorism.
I strongly disagree, but I suspect this will quickly devolve into an argument about the semantics of “terrorism.” So I’ll focus on this part: “intentionally murder innocent civilians.” I do not agree that all successful rebellions required the intentional murder of innocent civilians.
That part is debatable, and it also depends on the semantics of innocent. If you announce you want to irradicate the other people, are you innocent? If you vote for that, are you innocent? Guilt doesn’t just require carrying a gun or Hitler would be innocent.
The problem with the word terrorism is its all semantics. Every government (or sudo-government entity) is a terrorist if you want them to be. It’s a useless word. If you use fear or force to try to enforce something, you’re a terrorist. The IDF walks around with guns to keep things in check. That’s terrorism by almost any definition, but it depends on who’s talking.
Rebels who do nothing aren’t really rebels though. Think of star wars.
The death star had tons of independent contractors.
The death star was a military base they a attacked a military base.
The rebels didn’t murder and rape the ewoks in the middle of the yub nub festival.
This is a fair point. I didnt really pay as much attention as to how it all went down, i know they blew up a tank and a few people died and hostages were taken. All that being said, it is illegally conquered land and it is immediately next to a military installation.
Havent heard about rape yet
That woulda been a very different movie
You really haven’t seen any of the headlines and videos about the girls they kidnapped, raped, beat and then shot to death? Or the families, including children, that they murdered? There’s video all over the internet, how did you miss it?
Well regardless, now you know. True acts of barbarism against innocent civilians.
It seems you don’t pay much attention to the history of jerselum either. The “rightful” owners of the land depends on when you claim that this is when ownership was established.
Bad analogy. Death Star is not a civilian target.
Israeli settlements and military bases are installed by the government to keep control of an illegally conquered area.
If you are looking to liberate that land, stuff installed by the the offending government for military purposes is not civilian.
Israel is using its own citizens for it’s benefit without regard for their safety.
I’m not arguing rebels should do nothing. I’m arguing they should not assault, rape, and murder innocent women.
Yeah, and blowing it up was a shit move and not okay. Fuck the rebels pulling that kind of shit.
Destroy its weapon system, sure. But not blow up the whole station. I mean the only difference here is that the Imperium blew up an actual planet, not an artificial one.
Imagine virtue signalling for the literal Nazi allegory
Didn’t you know that might makes right? Do you even lift, bro?
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If I took your family’s house and people’s sovereignty away for a few generations would you still be able to stand on your moral highground?
Are you asking if I’d rape and murder innocent women if I felt aggrieved by a third party? I can confidently say that, no, I would not do that. Is that really standing on a moral high ground, or just not being a murderous, psychopathic, piece of shit?
Go live in Gaza and show them all how morally superior you are.
If I lived in Gaza I would be royally pissed at Hamas but wouldn’t say a thing because I enjoy being alive. If I lived in Gaza I would understand that the leadership was corrupt and pocketed millions of dollars of Israeli and international aid intended to allow Gaza to have its own power and water plants. If I lived in Gaza I would do my best not to live in Gaza, but would be not allowed to leave because no Arab country wants any more Palestinians then they already have.
No I was saying step outside of your own experience and really try to empathize with others. You should do it in all issues. Your other comment I felt showed you mostly ignored that.
I can understand that a person in a barbaric situation would turn to barbarism.
It is our responsibility as sentient beings to NOT do that. For some of us it is easier than others. But it is everyone’s responsibility. Regardless of circumstance.
I can’t sympathise with murderous rapists. I can’t imagine any common ground. I sympathise with the peaceful people of Palestine. Those few who don’t support Hamas.
Citi Bank took my parents’ home and thus any inheritance the family had coming. So one can theoretically go murder those executives’ children as compensation and be morally right, yes? Or is putting in more identifiable terms highlighting how insane that logic actually is?
Native Americans can invade American preschools and cut the throats of all the toddlers similar to what Hamas has uploaded to the internet with Israeli kids, yes?
Don’t you see the slippery slope and immoral position you hold here?
Bad people love to wear the mantle of victim because it justifies all the evil shit they do.
kills them by the hundreds
the death toll is a bit higher than that
5,590 Palestinians and 251 Israelis died in conflict from 2008–2020
kicked
*Are still actively kicking
ukrainians were treated worse. did they kill and rape civilians intentionally? meanwhile
If Palestine stop fighting there would be peace. If Israel stop fighting there will be no. Israel. each time Palestinians are the aggressors. [
Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces.](https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war#:~:text=Fighting began with attacks by,%2C settlements%2C and armed forces.)
Israel is not the aggressor. Both the war of Independence (1948) and the Yom Kippur war (1973) were initiated by Arab forces. The Six-day war was initiated by Israel, but it was a preemptive strike and there’s no doubt the Arabs were planning on attacking sooner rather than later, so you can count that in as well.
Oh, and I guess you can count some of the bigger escalations between Israelis and Palestinians as wars, if you’d like. In that case, both the first and second Intifadahs were initiated by Palestinians.
ukrainians were treated worse. did they kill and rape civilians intentionally? meanwhile
If Palestine stop fighting there would be peace. If Israel stop fighting there will be no. Israel. each time Palestinians are the aggressors.
Since you are comparing it to Ukraine, this would be like saying that the war in Ukraine is justified because Ukrainians didn’t stop fighting and gave up the Donbass and Crimea to the Russians.
If Palestinians stopped fighting they would cease to exists.
cease to exist
If they won’t give up their genocidal ideas they deserve to cease to exist. ignoring also the 2 state solution proposed many times that is ALWAYS turned down by Palestine. Funny how that works aint it?
BTW this is taken directly from the founding charter of HAMAS, “our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious” and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel."
before gaza did palestine cease to exist?
if israel really does not want palestine it can just get rid of it in a snap.
If Palestine stop fighting there would be peace.
How do you mean? Peace in an apartheid state where they are always behind a separation wall or a checkpoint?
Which was in direct response toooo… Suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism.
It’s amazing, it actually led to a dramatic decrease in suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism (until it didn’t). I was against the wall because it led to less opportunities for interaction, but after seeing the precipitous drop in terrorism, I can understand why even progressive Israelis were not shedding too many tears when the walls started being built en masse.
If Palestinians stopped fighting, there would still be illegal settlements encroaching on their already-compromised territory. Palestinians missed real opportunities for peace MANY MANY times. Only one real peace effort was ruined by Israel (the ultra orthodox murdering Yitzhak Rabin).
This is true, but many people are turning blind eyes to this fact.
there is so much to unpack here the Palestinian narrative is very misunderstood.
I mean, no, the Israelis are aggressors, in that they walked into an existing country and tried to claim a vast amount of it. They’re the Confederacy, but not even from the same country originally.
Yeah it’s almost like Israel has been sabotaging all peace talks for decades.
The only side in this conflict that could have ended it was Israel, back when Palestine was not controlled by Hamas, but they instead chose to destroy any chance at that.
And then they of course continued to blockade Gaza, starve people, block their access to water, continue illegal settlements, and so on.
Israel is a genocidal fascist state.
not more than palestine.
jews and palestinians are more safer in israel than in palestine.
The people in Palestine are unsafe because of the powerful fashist state trying to wipe them out.
Jews and Palestinians in Israel are safer because they have all the military power and funding from the American religious quacks.
It’s not a fair comparison.
Edit: leaving the typo for context further down
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The person above me made a grammatical error. I didn’t call them out nor do I think it voids an otherwise perfectly coherent statement. This is because I’m not a cunt.
Also can you point out what I misspelt, my phone’s dictionary isnt’t complaining. Thank you.
You spelt fascist as fashist but it is still perfectly readable to anyone.
Your own source contradicts you about the Fatah number…
You’re not supposed to read the links…
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Seriously tho, it’s a huge problem on lemmy where people just throw a random link in a comment and nobody checks it
I noticed that since the day I got here. If you spoke shit on Reddit you were destroyed by fact checkers. That doesn’t happen here.
Not praising Reddit. Not condemning Lemmy. Just stating an observation.
Probably just fewer people, so less likely to have that 1% that actually read the links.
Or banned by hyper partisan mods.
Fediverse is really feifdomverse.
It will take years for communities to shake out the power hungry morons who jumped here for the sole purpose of being in charge.
People in this thread are far too busy comparing the situation to anime or star wars to read about it and form their own opinions.
I always answer surveys about the local killers accurately.
The absurd thing is that Israel helped create and fund Hamas initially as a counterweight to the largely secular leftist Palestine Liberation Organization under Yasser Arafat. This whole situation is partially blowback from an Israeli effort to divide-and-conquer Palestine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/opinion/letters/israel-gaza-palestinians.html
In 1981, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, Israel’s military governor of Gaza, told me that he was giving money to the Muslim Brotherhood, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities. The funding was intended to tilt power away from both Communist and Palestinian nationalist movements in Gaza, which Israel considered more threatening than the fundamentalists.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” says [retired Israeli official Avner Cohen], a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel’s destruction.
Instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.
The secular PLO has now largely been supplanted by Hamas in Gaza.
Blowback like this is the hidden story of the modern age. Every world and regional power has attempted it and been burned, multiple times over.
Heck, one could argue it’s exactly what happened in 1776, and the trend has never stopped!
I don’t know what thought would be more depressing: if you’re just shilling, and this is your job (We know the are lots of people who do what you just did, for a living), or if you actually believe what you’re saying.
I’m not sure which is worse.
To be honest, Palestine is lucky that Israel is governed by a people who survived the worst genocide the world has ever seen. It is their restraint that saves Palestine from being exterminated as they so richly deserve. No other nation would hold back for this long.
Israel is far from perfect, but they are WAY better than the Muslim terrorist skum that is hamas.
That you, Shapiro?
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How many Israeli soldiers paraded around naked bodies of innocent people they murdered?
How many Israeli soldiers attacked people at a music festival?
Israel is not innocent but the levels evil displayed by Hamas are horrifying.
I can’t point you to specific circumstances that match your exact descriptions, but the IDF kills Palestinians fairly frequently, often just walking around or at their homes. Is that better? It’s like breeding contempt in people causes them to do horrible things out of hatred.
Israel literally exists because western nations divided land and gave it to Jewish settlers, who then captured more land through war and has continuously extended its colonial efforts.
This isn’t to justify anything, just to provide context. Israel isn’t any better. Zionism is pure evil, and Israel currently runs on zionism.
I haven’t read of any cases of the IDF killing innocent people walking around their homes. If true that’s terrible. Do you have a source for that.
The target killing was an IDF policy to take out terrorists when they didn’t pose an immediate threat.
The "innocen"t teen was a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a terrorists organization, this was confirmed by his own social media posts and PIJ claiming him as a martyr.
The 3rd article outlines terrible behavior and cover-ups of killing innocent people. I am glad many soldiers have reported these incidents, that’s how reform starts.
The last link is just a Google query, because of how google works I cannot verify that the searches I am seeing are the ones you see. Most of mine were links to the current attacks or to the other articles you cited.
You mean like both-sides’ing a liberal democracy and a terrorist organization? That sort of thing?
I wonder how you would behave if somebody showed up at your door and said “I’ve got this piece of paper that says my ancestors lived here hundreds of years ago. Your house is now mine and you’re homeless now fuck off before I shoot you”
I guess that’s the liberal democracy part he’s referring to.
I’m going to guess they wouldn’t kill the men and then rape, murder, and dismember the women and children on video to post it in celebration.
But maybe I’m wrong. With reductionism, anything is justifiable.
As with any extremist group, those perpetrating those actions do not represent the entire population. We can condemn inhuman actions on both sides without missing the forest for the trees. It is not different from acknowledging that being an anti-zionist does not make one an anti-semite.
I hate how when we start killing each other shared humanity is forgotten.
I’ve got a friend in Israel, he’s just a guy, tries to make it a saner place. His crime was being born there. Right now he’s sitting in his house hoping nobody he loves is going to die while a government he hates and wants destroyed throws bombs at other people who have nothing to do with this and claims it is on his behalf. There are countless Palestinians who live under brutal occupation that just want to be free.
Always it is the little people who suffer and die for the dreams of megalomaniacal tyrants. Violence begets violence begets violence, this will be held up by every fucking group that wants to kill other people as a new excuse for why it’s so great to go kill other people.
Sometimes situations are just hard and ugly. Anyone can say “oh war is hell, people die” but I doubt they’d be so sanguine about it if someone kicked in their door and made them a sacrifice for crimes whoever claims dominion over them committed.
If you think that’s what happened, you don’t understand the origins of this conflict in the slightest.
Jews trying to build an Israeli state has very old origins, but the ACTUAL founding of the state of Israel was entirely about world finding something to do with all the Holocaust refugees who were turned away by every other country in their hour of need.
This was Europe’s way dealing with a refuge crisis. It wasn’t Jews that seized Palestinian lands, it was the British, and it happened way before they ever entertained any notion of giving up that land for any reason, let alone creating a Jewish state.
What do you mean origins, it’s what’s happening now!
Native people get to told to leave their land. House gets bulldozed. Israeli settlement gets built.
Or are you trying to say every settlement that exists now sprung up in 1948?
Holocaust refugees who were turned away by every other country in their hour of need
You may want to read up more on that:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
Immigration to the land of Israel started way before the Holocaust or the establishment of the state of Israel, actually against the wishes of the British, and it wasn’t the British who pushed a million Palestinians out.
After WWII the Jewish population understandably feared staying in non-friendly countries, but still during the early 1950s about 10% of the immigrants left to other countries that had no problem taking them in.
However, the bulk of immigration happened following a pre-Holocaust One Million Plan, which ended up focusing on Jews from Islamic countries… ironically not because of Holocaust refugee status, but over concerns of retaliation for taking over the land of Israel from the Palestinians in the first place. Which indeed, they did retaliate.
And look at that, the conflict has continued festering to this day.
If it wasn’t for the Zionist agenda, there might not have been a state of Israel… and Jews might have been to this day living as before in Islamic countries among others without fear of persecution, with Holocaust refugees having plenty of choices ready to take them in. Alas, the Zionist agenda won, and the number of Jewish refugees increased several-fold… which only further fed the agenda.
The implications of all that for the radicalization of the Islamic world, would be an exercise for another time.
The link you just gave about the One Million Plan puts it during the holocaust, 1944. Mistake?
Which? side is the liberal democracy?
Israel. It’s the only country in the region where a gay Muslim women can be an elected official, let alone vote.
Hamas are barbaric terrorists
And so is Israel. Two terrorist groups throwing bombs to each other, without giving a heck about their own citizens. 🤷🏻♂️
Israel at least seems to care about Israelis from my perspective. Hamas just sees Palestinians as collateral damage.
Only if you’re the right kind of Israeli.
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What does this mean?
Nothing, the commenter supports terrorism so much they need to paint the other side as bad in any way
Israel is an apartheid state leveraging state violence. They hold the cards and they shuffled the deck.
Well, Israel is literally surrounded by countries who want to destroy them and wipe them off the face of the earth for religious reasons. I understand their anxiety.
That being said, Israel is not innocent.
Name one military which warns where bombs will fall to give civilians a chance to flee? Or sending first aid supplies after civilians get hurt.
Are you seriously defending a country throwing bombs to civilians just because they « warn »? That’s one of the dumbest take I ever read here.
- Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
- Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations
How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
- “Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
- Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
- Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
This isn’t good-faith criticism.
These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why.
People can criticize Israel and not have a problem with Jewish people.
Sure… In the same way that cops don’t necessarily have to be racist to be part of a system that is unquestionably racist.
Plenty of people who aren’t anti-Jewish don’t give a second thought to the fact that they spend about 10000% more energy publicly criticizing Israel than they do any of Israel’s neighbors who oppress women horrifically, murder LGBTQ people, and are unabashedly pro-genocide.
They also criticize Israel for civilian collateral damage without acknowledging that Israeli’s steps to minimize those deaths are the most advanced in history, and that they easily outperform even the United States in minimizing casualties during military operations.
So, no… You don’t have to be anti-Jewish to be anti Israel, but when you criticize the only Jewish state for things that you give inarguably worse nations a pass for… Your absolutely feeding into an anti-Jewish system.
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Are you serious NOT defending a country that does that? That goes out of their way to destroy terrorist infrastructure while taking extraordinary steps to give civilians time to evacuate, necessarily letting terrorists themselves flee to go kill Israelis again, because that’s what it takes to protect innocent lives?!
You’re NOT defending that country?
Why the fuck not. That’s insane.
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Because I defended anyone here? Stop reading what is comforting your shit opinion. Just said that both are terrorists.
You’re the one trying to defend one of the two side. I’m just saying that both are bad.
Objectively they are not even close to being the same or equally bad. You can consider my opinion shit or whatever, luckily that changes exactly nothing. War is disgusting and always innocent pay the price, but you will find it that it’s always the same side that initiates these…
Neither side initiate these, its tit for tat going back over 100 years
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lol ok bud
You think giving notice makes bombing okay? It’s okay to hurt someone if you’re sending first aids afterwards?
What a sick world view.
Not to mentuon the illegal settlements and suprrssing and harassement of Palestinians daily.
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- Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
- Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations
How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
- “Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
- Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
- Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
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You think giving notice DOESN’T make it okay?
Israel has found a way of destroying terrorists headquarters without injuring the civilians that Hamas is using as human shields.
In the history of the WORLD has any country every bent over backwards this much?
And you guys wonder why both Republicans and Democrats overwhelming ignore your criticisms? It’s because your position isn’t a serious one.
It’s war, those are the rules of engagement for war. I’d they didn’t do that out would be considered a war crime. It’s not about what someone’s world view is. Israel definitely created the situation they are in today through their oppression, but that is how you do that. 15 minutes is enough time to evacuate.
rules of engagement for war
I thought those were “shoot before you get shot”. Firing warning shots is being super polite about it. Still sucks for the civilians though.
Are you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates? Good luck coming up with a response that matches your standards when your country is under a rocket barrage. The double standards people develop when sitting in the safety of their home and regurgitating biased news… It’s thanks to people like you that this conflict thrives, because extremists from both sides use the lies you spread to their advantage.
Are you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates?
The funny thing is I have no idea which side you’re talking about here.
Hamas quite famously and openly uses their own people as human shields. They launch rocket attacks from hospitals and school buildings to give Israel the choice between retaliating by striking those places, or just sitting there and letting their own civilians die.
And when you get mad at Israel for the times they do retaliate, you’re 100 percent playing into the hands of the terrorists. The WHOLE reason they use this tactic is because YOUR reaction to it is their goal.
Which is why it’s infuriating when someone takes a side without a shred of nuance here. Too many people don’t understand that you can can condemn Hamas, condemn the Israeli government, and still believe the Palestinian and Israeli civilians deserve to live in peace.
The Palestinian love Hamas, and utterly detest Israel
Right? This is shitty all 'round
re you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates?
Israel oppresses Palestinians, Hamas retaliates and Israel retaliates against their retaliation, rinse and repeat. The only ones with the power to change this dynamic are Israel and they’re not doing that.
They’ve offered these people peaceful coexistance and self-governance for more than half a century.
Palestinians have walked away from every peace talk and turned to terrorism.
The only ones with power to change the dynamic are the Palestinians.
Palestinians have walked away from every peace talk and turned to terrorism.
Because every peace talk has been “We’re gonna offer you a fraction of your stuff and you should be happy about it”. The Israeli position is that Palestine should be happy with breadcrumbs, and Palestinians are understandably not happy about that. Israel hasn’t changed its position, and has actually gotten worse, hence terrorism.
Not at all. Israel’s offers of peace have been objectively the most generous terms in history.
None of them involved pulling out of Gaza and the West Bank, that’s for sure. When your peace offers practically don’t even include independence, it’s hard to take them seriously. And don’t get me started about East Jerusalem.
That’s exactly what they are doing.
They hold Israel to an invented standard that they apply to no other nation.
There was a brief, shining moment after 9/11 when the entire world was united against terrorism. But the critics of Israel were so determined to frame Israel as the bad guys that they invented a meaningless phrase “state terrorism” which just meant “anything that Israel does”. And they pretended that that was the moral equal to the actual terrorism of the Palestinians, deliberately targeting children and other innocents.
Israel builds a fence to keep out suicide bombers. They scream “apartheid!”
Israel bulldozes a vacated house that was used as a terrorist bomb-making factory. They scream “genocide!”
The problem with Israel’s critics is that since they damn Israel for any and every action, they have made their voices utterly useless.
No. Just no.
They learned from the “best”, irgun, lehi, etc…
They are oppressed people striking back against generations of brutality.
No, they are a proxy war by Iran to push back from normalized relationships between the Saudis and Israel in a time when Iran is starting to feel internal pressure to “catch up” to the rest of the world. I feel for the people there, but this is messier and more disgusting than a simple retaliation.
To be fair, there’s been brutality and retaliation in the region since the Paleolithic, at this point everyone can claim to be “just pushing back” against some era of oppression.
Kind of a fertile ground for proxy wars.
No amount of oppression justifies raping civilians.
If only you cried for the oppressed as much as you cry for the oppressor.
There were two ‘Reigns of Terror,’ if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the ‘horrors’ of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break?
What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror–that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
Mark Twain
How the fuck do you know they don’t?
The sign of a campist, they can’t conceive of the idea that an act itself is what makes the action good or bad, so they assume nobody else can either, and therefore only call out bad actions selectively for debate advantage.
Power dynamics establish only if a motivation for bad actions is built into the systems of local governance. Not if those actions are bad.
I don’t care how oppressed the folks in Gaza are, the rape and murder of civilians is not suddenly ok because some Bougeyevik with a soviet iconography fetishized picrew pfp on twitter says they had it coming for being le evil settlers.
Nevermind how the settler shit hasn’t been a relevant issue for Gaza’s situation since the early 2000s. The half of Palestine that actually has to deal with what all the hammer and sickle profiles justify permitting mass rape and slaughter with is completely separate from where this shitstorm erupted from.
I did look through their Lemmy posts but arguably its not the full story I’ll admit.
The act with no context committed in a void is terrible, but we’re not talkimg about theoretical ethics, everything has context and that context can change everything. You probably wouldn’t be so angry at videos of resistance fighters raping and murdering Nazis and collaborators, why? Because of the context.
Violence against oppression is not something that can or should be condemned by those who have never faced that oppression.
Also hate to break it to you the settlers will be an issue for as long as they are there. Look at Northern Ireland, it’s been 400 years and the settlers there are still an issue. Look at America, it’s been 300 years and the settlers there are still causing issues for the indigenous people.
Imagine comparing civilians and children to fucking Nazis and Nazi collaborators. Particularly Israeli civilians and children given the impetus behind how Israel was ultimately recognized to begin with.
I picked an example that I knew the context would be almost universally thought of as morally good even though the act in it’s self is indefensible.
I’m not comparing those two either, the IDF exists and makes a great comparison against other fascist state’s armies. French resistance fighters also definitely killed innocent civilians and children so still makes a decent comparison since society views violent resistance against certain oppressors even with civilian casualties as okay and some as terrorism.
Also Imagine being so braindead that thinking being against fascist states means you are antisemitic.
I wonder what oppression Afghani men are fighting today.
Just as a little reality check for all Hamas “fans” out here which are actually comparing them to Israel. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days…they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.
Israel basically created the monster that is Hamas today because they funded the radical islamists to take away support for the more leftist PLO.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
out of mistake I would say.
So?
What do you mean so, the Israeli apartheid state took power away from the people they could negotiate with and gave it to barbaric terrorists.
A rare circumstance where both sides are indeed bad
Lay down with dogs wake up with fleas sorta thing
So innocent Israelis deserve to die for what their government did decades ago?
So innocent Palestinians deserve to die for something an extremist faction of their society did? Repeatedly? Threatened with literal extinction?
Not deserve, but they made their bed, now they’re lying in it. This is a tragic but inevitable turn of events.
nothing, just wanted to point out that they did it not intentionally. That’s what can happen when you support a group in another country as a counterweight to their political ideology. It can aid your country or it can bite you in the ass.
or when you compare them to Israel
Killing others, because of some “fairytale” religion or book that justifies dehumanizing the other side? That’s not like Israel? In what way?
As much as the orthodox scholars would like to insist otherwise, Israel is not a theocracy.
Zionism is a fundamentally nationalist project, and early Israel quashed attempts to root the founding of the state in religious zealotry.
You’ll be able to spot this in phenomena like how major Israeli political parties actually represent splinters between different ethnicities of Israeli jews, notably the difference between Ashkenazi Jews and Russian jews.
More starkly, ethiopian jews get treated little better than israeli arabs, who also have their own political party within the knesset.
In a way Israel is actually a microcosm of a larger clash between the western perspective and the perspective of the muslim world. The west keeps trying to fight Islamism with nationalism, and likewise islamists keep trying to fight nationalism with islamism. There can’t be a discussion because the two “sides” of the “debate” aren’t even agreeing on what’s being talked about.
What gets even weirder is how this has caused weird flips in political alignment. Because of MBS’ influence, the more influential secular movements in the Arab world tend to be Dictatorial or even outright Monarchist, while in the west Monarchy and Authoritarian movements are currently heavily associated with christian fundamentalism. Meanwhile the more “democratic” movements are heavily rooted in Islamist politics. Erdogan’s Turkey loves that scene, and has started getting involved in proxy wars to prop up other Turkey style republics headed by islamist parties.
BTW this is why the Muslim Brotherhood was able to win elections in Egypt following the arab spring before the new dictatorship took root. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be a kind of almost Reaganist/Nixonian party that touts itself as the democratic alternative for frustrated “common sense conservative” folks in the middle east, silent majority rhetoric and all.
All religions are fairy tales, Hamas’ beliefs are no less fake and for personal gain than any other religion. What they’re doing to people is terrible, but there’s a long list of horrible religious assholes in this world, they’re no different.
This is no religion, this is a “all Jews a bad and should be euthanized” book. This is far beyond any religion and just degenerated nonsense. I get that you can misinterpret any religion but here you don’t need any interpretation, this book is just evil.
None of them are, god isn’t real. There is no one they are fighting for, just their own ideals they made up to control people. You can’t argue that if Israel could wipe Hamas from the world they wouldn’t do so immediately, no different than the other way. Stop pretending one group of fake deity worshipers is better than another because they killed someone yesterday instead of the week before.
Again the Hamas is not based on a misinterpretation of a religion, they are based on a book that simply want the Jews wiped out. I’m sorry but based on that they are just savages that just want to se the Jews dead because of some conspiracy bullshit.
I would agree on that neither the Israelis or the Palestinians are saints in this conflict and need to get their shit together but the Hamas are just scum with no respect for human life either Israelis nor Palestinians, they basically share the same values as the Nazis regarding the Jewish population and want to wipe them out at the cost of the life of their own people .
In fairness, it’s a lot easier to convince people that whenever you know that group is actually stealing their land.
Obviously anti-Semitism is wrong, but what we see in Israel is not due to their religion, but due to their authoritarian bend n their leadership. Right wing authoritarianism is wrong, regardless of where it is and who does it.
I think Israel is hiding behind anti-Semitism to commit atrocities.
While I’m sure some of them think that, I’d wager the vast majority just want to stop being oppressed by Zionists.
You do know there is a blockade of Gaza, right?
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Hey, how come Egypt and Jordan won’t accept Palestinians settlers?
Also cute af that you think Israelis are white nationalists. The actual bigot here might be you homie.
I never said they were ‘white nationalists.’ Zionism, by definition, is religious nationalism though. Jews, on average, are whiter than Arabs. It is another example of whites getting their way while browns get fucked.
Hey, how come Egypt and Jordan won’t accept Palestinians settlers?
You tell me.
The actual bigot here might be you homie.
Might want to leave the personal insults at home. They just make your argument look weak.
Might want to leave the personal insults at home. They just make your argument look weak.
Uhh, they werent insulting you, they were cautioning you that your views are pretty clearly warped.
And no, it didn’t make their argument look weak.
Nah, he had to resort to personal insults because he didn’t have a strong argument.
And no, it didn’t make their argument look weak.
You only say that because you agree with him and you’re biased.
No you just took it personally, ironically making your argument look weak.
Nope his argument is strong
Lol, what? A personal insult was taken personally?
My god, the mental gymnastics among ya’ll. You should be olympic gold medalists.
Cool story bruh
a fairytale full of antisemitism
So they are racist against themselves?
what?
He’s playing a semantic game because Palestinians fall under the description of ‘semite’ despite the fact that, in the basic vernacular, ‘antisemite’ means someone who hates Jews. They know this, you know this, I know this. But they want to play a little game.
I hate these types of games. I’m an antisemantic.
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He’s pretending that he doesn’t know that “antisemitic” is a word that has been used exclusively to mean anti-Jewish for … What 50 years? More?
Incredibly disgusting to see.
The comments from all the leftists here explicitly supporting Hamas terrorism against a legitimate state? Or the ones in favor of antisemitism? Or the ones requesting for LITERAL Israel genocide? Because yeah that shit is disgusting
I see so much support for the Hamas here in Lemmy. And I dont know why. I dont really no much about middle east conflict but everything I’ve ever heard about the Hamas was terrible and crule. Maybe its Propaganda but then things like this happens. Even IF it was a Soldier and not just a civillian this is nothing a Regiem which is worth supporting does. This is just wrong.
murdering civilians en masse and then desecrating their corpses seems like a strange approach to recruiting people to your cause.
Hamas fighters
They’re terrorists. Hamas is the richest terrorist organization in the world. Their headquarters are in Qatar, which pulls the strings and spreading hate against Jewish people (not just Israel). Don’t believe me? Check it out for yourself. One of Hamas’ goals is to exterminate the Jewish people all over the world!
They don’t give a shit about Palestinian people. It’s not about that at all.
Human beings creating hell on earth. Still.
They claimed it was the body of an IDF soldier!
Look at her. She’s clearly not a soldier. She’s small and slight. Female soldiers are going to have a lot more muscle. She’s also a tattoo artist from fucking Germany she is going to have a different accent, language, reaction, and understanding of the situation. The soldier will know why and how to wait for rescue. This woman is probably completely disoriented and has no idea what her options are.
Israel has a requirement for all citizens to serve a term in the IDF. Are you implying that there are no small slight Israeli citizens? I’ve met some women who served in the IDF, and they aren’t necessarily any larger than usual. The actions aren’t good, but the mistake wouldn’t be that hard to make.
Well when you killed her and she wasn’t in a military uniform, that might clue you in, no?
Why would terrorists give a shit who they kill?
You’re giving Hamas more credit than they deserve, which is zero
Yeah, because military personnel never take off their uniforms…
Right. It’s only ok to kill civilians when they’re clearly marked medics and clearly marked press. With goddamn sniper rifles. Like they’re playing a fucking video game.
When Israel bombs hospitals they kill a lot of people who are not wearing military uniforms.
The scale of the violence perpetrated by Israel is not comparable to that committed by Palestine.
None of the pieces of shit on the one side of this “war” wear uniforms. A favorite tactic of these kind of scum is to hide amongst and wear the same clothing as civilians so that it isn’t possible to take them out without collateral damage and then that can be used as propaganda.
The term “human shield” comes to mind.
And all of those clearly marked medics and press members getting killed by IDF soldiers?
Do you think those soldiers gave a shit what kind of clothes they were wearing? They’ve been taught that they’re all subhuman. Uniform or not.
Also, this is a literal open-air prison. How do you organize a standing army, with uniforms, etc. That’s not how it works. You can’t oppress a population (on their own land) and commit genocide for a century and not expect insurgency. You don’t get armed forces, Israel would never fucking allow that. So yes, they’re in “civilian clothing.”
You can make all of the excuses you want for your support of apartheid.
At the end of the day, it’s not a matter of opinion, but of fact that Israel has spent generations terrorizing Palestine.
Foind Another common terrorism apologist
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Okay well there may well be small and slight female IDF soldiers. I don’t know if they’d find themselves on the front lines as I’m not familiar with IDF deployment. I also don’t know if they’d be indistinguishable from a tattoo artist. Depends on the tattoo artist I guess.
She probably has a German accent and she doesn’t speak Hebrew or Arabic. But I suppose if she were in shock you wouldn’t be able to tell and if she were dead on arrival you wouldn’t be able to tell.
Wait, it’s she alive? The wording in the article makes it sound like she’s dead.
She’s dead.
😟
I don’t know if we know :(
There’s a lot of missing context it would be weird to jump to conclusions. War makes fighters in an instant, she may not have been an idf soldier but if she fought back they might not make that distinction, we simply don’t know.
It’s appalling either way as most acts and atrocities of war tend to be.
She might have fought back but, and this is speculation, she probably didn’t deck herself out in body armor, radio equipment, and an Uzi.
Straight up retarded take.
I’m sure those children who were murdered for throwing rocks at IDF soldiers weren’t decked out either…
But you know who always is? All of the clearly marked medics and press people the IDF murders.
Doesn’t seem to fucking matter, does it?
I just want to make sure I understand your point.
The IDF kills kids with rocks. So therefore Hamas is justified in killing a random German?
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That’s my point, anything at this point is speculation. What isn’t is that Israel is 100% using it for sympathy because declaring war on your open air concentration camp who doesn’t have a standing army looks real fucking bad.
Your logic would allow a rapist to claim self defense because his victim struggled against being pinned to the wall for the act.
Not at all, if you can point to an excuse for the behavior or acceptance of it I’d love to see it.
Thw world was a better place during corona shutdowns.
Can we please start eating raw bats again?
I hate to tell you this bud, but this stuff was still happening all the while we were safe in our houses.
Yep, only the westernized countries were shutting down, and even then most people acted like children and didn’t follow it.
China had very strict lockdowns.
Ok? China is still a industrialized nation…that was the point.
I think China counts as westernized
No, Kenya had a strict night curfew, no school for I think 2 years, restrictions on how many people could ride in a car. I believe at one point even mask wearing everywhere in public.
I hate this stance. There’s so much good in people as well. Check out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_world_syndrome and realise you are reading about a giant once in a lifetime terrorist attack rather than an everyday occurrence. Too many terminally online people just get a warped perception of what others are like from constant negative news and end up glorifying isolation as a result. More and more people do that while posting about doing so leads other people to do so as well.
hate to break it to you, but the Israel-Palestine thing is happening a whole lot more than once in a lifetime
…that’s not the point I was making. My point is that barbaric events like what happened in Israel on Saturday are rare and letting that colour your entire perspective on the human race is unhealthy. Someone kills 50 people headline news across all forms of media, someone saves the lives of 50 people you will probably never even know their name.
the human race does suck. capitalism is a death machine that has ruined the planet. we’re as good as dead. enjoy climate genocide and digital fascism.
Yes, curse the world because you feel powerless rather than try to do something about it.
The current system sucks, but the average human is pretty chill. Most people just want to feel safe, eat good food, and enjoy time with friends and family.
Some people are in shit situations and are easily manipulated into becoming hateful creatures, and some people in power understand this and abuse it. Systems that create these situations are the issue, and we have continuously improved systems throughout our existence. We usually change systems when they hit a threshold of hurting enough people, which is not the best strategy, but it’s how we’re wired. But it takes enough people getting pissed off and doing something about it rather than bitching and giving up.
So quit bitching and do something. Volunteer for a group that combats climate change. Find a job at a sustainable company. Advocate to friends and family why they should care and what they should do. At the very least, you can be at some peace with yourself for doing your best
Average humans are chill until they touch religions.
I know, I understand that but it’s important to talk about it, it’s the only way we can understand and be understood and protect ourselves from misunderstandings.
I don’t glorify isolation! Instead I glorify the idea of wiping out all life, forever. It’s not enough to just take out the humans because something else will eventually evolve to be as dumb as we are.
But NOOO poor them, they’re only acting like this because they’re oppressed don’t you understand?
I mean, I get your sarcasm, but they literally are acting like this because of their oppression.
They don’t have a military. They’re blockaded. Their citizens are killed at will by the IDF without any repercussions. Hell, Israel is now killing reporters with impunity who try to make light of it.
Palestinians have been living under an apartheid regime perpetrated by Israel for generations, and yes, that kind of powerlessness will result in expressions of unbridled violence and rage such as this one.
And it’s never going to end.
Still a tragedy, though, no doubt. It’s always been the peasants who suffer so the rich people can have their wars.
make light of it.
Believe you mean “bring it to light” or “shed light on it”
“Make light of it” is when you suggest it is not serious
Misread the post.
Does beating a woman to death and parading her body through the streets qualify as oppressing another person?
If you’re on the side of Hamas regime, you’re on the side of the oppressor, not the oppressed.
You can both be oppressed and opress others.
Hurting people hurt people.
Shit rolls downhill.
All i am trying to say is that, sadly, being the opressed doesn’t mean you cant be an oppressor. The world is complex…
Yet you’re choosing the side of one of the oppressors… why are you choosing the oppressor that does the thing you see in that video? Do you want more of that to happen? Do you think if Hamas desecrates enough corpses the conflict will end? What is your goal?
He’s quite clearly not picking a side, he’s just acknowledging nuance
If it’s true, yes.
The difference is the imbalance in power. Israel is a state sponsor of an apartheid. They are oppressing an entire nation of people in ways far more barbaric than this. (Two examples, shelling kids playing soccer on a beach or bombing hospitals, and those are fully documented and indisputable.)
It’s monstrous when a small number of terrorists do something awful, if in fact this woman was attacked in this way, but it’s not comparable to terrorism committed at a state level by a government with a modern military machine.
I’m not convinced this isn’t opposition propaganda.
well i woke to every comment i made yesterday about dead civilians = bad to all being heavily downvoted. if its not brigading thats responsible, lemmy as a whole needs to seriously take a look at it self if they actually think its good that civilians were being murdered on the streets in israel
The problem is the world only now seems to care about civilians being killed. Palestinian civilians are routinely killed. So it rings a bit hollow.
well i can assure you the second i see an article about the latest massacre of palestinians, i will absolutely comment and condemn it. Maybe im a weirdo but I’m simply not cool with civilians being targeted, from anywhere.
Bit different from the sickos commenting on this situation literally cheering this shit on
terrible news. i mean it was last year so i wouldnt have commented on it here
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Just for perspective https://www.ochaopt.org/poc/5-18-september-2023
I don’t think you were brigaded, you were just downvoted. It can happen when you defend genocide.
yeah. cause having an issue with civilians being murdered = defending genocide. keep those cooker opinions coming
It could be.
This is a very new story. I’m only commenting from a historical perspective.
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How so? You can confirm basically everything written here.
So I recently went to the effort to actually read some books on the situation there.
This event, and any like it, are inexcusable war crimes. Atrocious acts that cannot be justified. There have been countless war crimes on both sides of this war, unfortunately for not just the two countries involved but all the other people and countries that have been in the way (Lebanon, for one).
But these actions ARE the direct result of the oppression and genocides the Palestinian people have endured for the last century. Hamas actually had many members who advocated against such methods and well-connected members who made many attempts to negotiate through diplomatic channels, but thanks in large part to concerted propaganda efforts in the US by Israel, the war crimes committed by Israel are rarely reported as war crimes, at least in sources that most Americans would read. The Zionist movement from the start was well-funded and well-connected, and took advantage of that and their US propaganda to shut any Palestinian groups out of democratic/diplomatic channels.
Again, I’m not trying to excuse or be dismissive of the situation at hand - this is a completely inhumane, unforgivable act that makes me sick to my stomach to read about.
But I also KNOW that Israel committed war crimes last night just based on the retaliatory statements they were making - it echoes EERILY statements made by Israeli leaders prior to some of the most horrific war crimes of this war. And I know that many of those war crimes will probably go undocumented/unreported.
And again, not to justify anything, but to bring perspective: nearly 11,000 Palestinians have died in the war since 2000, to about 1,500 Israelis, and that doesn’t consider the Palestinians jailed or the many ways they are oppressed in their own land.
“You can only kick a dog so much before it snaps” - doesn’t mean a dog biting a kid that didn’t kick it is okay, but it biting the kid is still attributable to the abuse it endured which caused it to go feral.
Unironically this. As much as I’ll get downvoted for this: Create an apartheid state, the largest open-air prison on the planet filled with people who did nothing but be born there. Forcibly remove families from where their families had been living for generations. Brainwash your conscripted youth (so, literally all of them) into believing these people are literally less than human.
No shit they’re going to attempt to fight back. Now let’s see the completely proportional response by Israel. Will 10x the bloodshed be enough this time? Probably closer to 100x. How many innocent Palestinian civilians will be brutally murdered as a “response” to this?
When you create and foster an insurgency group within the country you LITERALLY STOLE FROM THEM, don’t be shocked when people get a little fucking upset.
So go ahead and downvote, and then continue jerking off to forcibly kicking innocent Palestinian families onto the streets, so Reuben from Lakewood New Jersey, with his dual citizenship, can “stake his claim” and move his family in.
Fucking trash government making their country illegitimate.
I’m sick and fucking tired of my taxes funding this shit. Pay for your genocide yourself, scum. Not much different than the US having deserved 9/11, people don’t like hearing the truth (and let’s be clear, I’m not justifying 9/11 attacks, just as I’m not justifying these attacks. Explaining not justifying.
I only know some basics of the whole situation, but I really don’t get this attack. Israel is a modern Westernized nation and enjoys STRONG support, financial and military, from many/most other Western developed nations. They have modern weapons of just about all types.
Israel is accused of some awful shit and stealing peoples homes. From what I can see they’re probably guilty of this.But I don’t understand how killing a bunch of civilians at a rave is going to overall help the cause. It seems to me like a. it’d give your better-armed adversary an excuse to smack you down once and for all, and b. a good way to make the rest of the world feel like they shouldn’t be stopped in doing so (and if anything, helped in their efforts).
So what is the goal? Is this just an expression of pent up anger? Because it seems a poor strategy to me.
Gladly most muslims selectively do not follow the parts of the Quran which advocate violence, but it is definitely in there. Islamic extremists are basically literal interpreters of certain parts of the book, mostly those written by Muhammad himself, who was a warrior/aristocrat LARP’ing as a spiritual guru.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
"Subsequent to obtaining a divine instruction to battle the polytheists, Muhammad dispatched his followers to perform raids on the Quraysh’s trading caravans. Certain Meccan followers of his were reluctant to partake, as it would mean attacking their own tribespeople. This vexed Muhammad, resulting in the revelation of Quran verse 2:216, among others, which asserts that fighting is good and has been made obligatory for them. After several months of failures, Muhammad managed to achieve his first successful raid, at Nakhla, during a month that the pagans forbade themselves from shedding blood. When the bountiful plunder was being brought back to him in Medina, Muhammad was met with censure from the locals. He contended that his followers had misconstrued his command, and he postponed taking his one-fifth portion of the spoil until a verse was ultimately revealed, legitimizing the attack.
In the early stages of his time in Medina, Muhammad was optimistic that the Jewish people would acknowledge him as a Prophet and strove to obtain converts from their community. However, his efforts were unsuccessful and even faced ridicule, as the Jews perceived inconsistencies between the Quran and their own scriptures. Consequently, the Quran accused the Jews of hiding and modifying parts of their holy texts. The Jewish criticism and refusal presented a danger to his prophetic claims, and, as a result, the views of Muhammad and the Quran towards them worsened. This then led to the reorientation of the Muslim prayer direction, the qibla, from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. Following the Battle of Badr, Muhammad revealed his intention to expel the Jews from the land. Once the ransom arrangements for the Meccan captives were finalized, he initiated a siege on the Banu Qaynuqa, regarded as the weakest and wealthiest of Medina’s three main Jewish tribes."
These terrorists wouldn’t hesitate to slit your throat if you didn’t pledge allegiance to Muhammad, and even if you did they’d probably still murder you. And that’s why they all need to be sent promptly back to Allah to check in, permanently. It’s really sad that some of their normal/moderate compatriots will be joining them, but unfortunately, that’s their whole plan. Use the palestinian people as a gigantic group of hostages which they can slowly sacrifice on their altar to Muhammed. And don’t make the mistake of turning this into a class war about “oppressed people”. Muhammed filled palaces with treasure he stole from the people he murdered.
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Meanwhile .ml and hexbear have gone full mask off. Holy shit, these people are literally cheering mass rape and torture. They are banning anyone who says these things are not justified. It’s actually terrifying how much of an appetite for cruelty these people are willing to tolerate just to be “right.”
This is seriously making me question whether I’ll stay on the fediverse.
