• grue@lemmy.world
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    How about a petition urging the IRS to disallow the tax-exempt status of religious orgs with leaders who endorse any political candidate?

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      That’s already the rule, right? They just need to enforce current rules.

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        The Alliance Defending Freedom video tapes a sermon by a preacher specifically violating the rule and send it to the IRS, trying to bait them into applying the rule because they are confident SCOTUS will declare the rule unconstitutional. The IRS never takes the bait. They’d rather have the appearance of a rule than no rule at all. As it is it is mostly self-enforcing on most congregations.

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        The Alliance Defending Freedom video tapes a sermon by a preacher specifically violating the rule and send it to the IRS, trying to bait them into applying the rule because they are confident SCOTUS will declare the rule unconstitutional. The IRS never takes the bait. They’d rather have the appearance of a rule than no rule at all. As it is it is mostly self-enforcing on most congregations.

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        The Alliance Defending Freedom video tapes a sermon by a preacher specifically violating the rule and send it to the IRS, trying to bait them into applying the rule because they are confident SCOTUS will declare the rule unconstitutional. The IRS never takes the bait. They’d rather have the appearance of a rule than no rule at all. As it is it is mostly self-enforcing on most congregations.

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      It says only one term, so that’ll become a lot less convincing for christians if he wins this year.

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    Can the Trump supporting Bishops correlate Trumps established behaviors with their expert knowledge of the bible? I am not an expert, but he doesn’t seem to uphold many Christian values. In fact he seems to be anti Christian in his practices.

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    I hope the pope condemns Christian nationalism as a manifestation of the heresy of positive Christianity. Or something similar.

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      the popes have always been in favor of national (catholic) christianity, though. Gives them more power.

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        The current pope seems to oppose Christian nationalism. He isn’t full liberation theologist but he’s far closer to that than to American bishops.

        Personally I think Jesus was lunatic not liar or lord and I think that if he has one saint her name is Dorothy Day. So maybe my opinion as someone who left the religion too soon to dedicate my life to the Catholic workers is a bit biased, but yeah the Catholic Church is on the edge of schism.

        Also national Catholicism and Christian nationalism are different. The former is deciding the nation is Christian and the latter is a stance that the nation holds a special place in Christianity. The latter is explicitly the opposite of what Catholicism is

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          Just wanna add that Dorothy Day is currently under consideration for sainthood in the catholic church, the Pope also used her as an example when speaking to congress of what each one of the representatives should be more like.

          I’d say he’s about the closest to liberation theology as we’ve ever had, maybe ever will have but hopefully that isn’t the case.

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            Oh good! I last looked into her before then apparently and had been under the impression she was sidelined to Blessed permanently.

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      The Baptists in my family don’t know what “Christian nationalism” means but would like the sound of it, and they basically equate the pope with a rainbow flag. I wish, but this pope isn’t changing minds in the American South, even if he tries.

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    Doesn’t the government have a law that urges them not to support politicians from the church

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      Technically the IRS can (should) revoke a church’s non profit status if they are caught campaigning for specific candidates. But it happens all the time regardless and there is rarely a consequence.

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      Yes , and it is consistantly not enforced.

      There should have been hundreds of churches charged over this back in 2016, but the IRS refuses to touch churches, no matter how blatantly they violate the separation.

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      Well, technically the church itself already has a collection of texts that unequivocally damn behaviours such as shown by Trump. It’s called the Bible or something like that, i believe.

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      Not a good man. They think he’s the divine necessary man who will bash abortion, women, the blacks, gays, the heretics, mutants and aliens and porn stars, not necessarily in that order. As the good word verdicts. A great christian hero.

      (American white evangelicalism and christian nationalism is an abomination on the face of the earth.)

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    Of course the bishops won’t support him. When it comes to Trump’s political chess strategy he is a false king supported only by pawns.