There’s several Shakespeare plays involving cross-dressing. So basically they’re going to outlaw Shakespeare.
They already banned Shakespeare in several schools for being too sexual.
Sigh. Of course they did…
Anyone remember the bit in the Bible where lot gets drunk and rapes his daughters?
No but I remember the part where they get him drunk and they rape him.
Although it’s still fiction, one has to wonder whether it’s more common for a drunk father to sexually assault his children, or for children to get their father drunk in order to sexually assault him, and how it would be reported by said father if the former were the one to happen.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s what he told everybody.
Or Ezekiel 23:20
For those unaware, this is a verse about dudes with dicks like donkeys that shoot loads like horses.
The classic.
Ah, one can dream…
My freshman year of high school, my AP English teacher made sure to point out all the sexual stuff in Shakespeare, much to our chagrin.
My favorite things about Shakespeare as an English teacher was explaining the innuendos and explaining how Romeo and Juliet was absolutely not a love story lol
I had a young woman who was a freshman yell at me, crying, that Romeo and Juliet was the greatest love story of all time and it was adorable.
I feel like some of that comes down to… Well, us, the adults. For some ungodly reason, we’ve been calling it things like “a love story” and “a tragedy,” and now people just don’t know what to expect.
We’ve also somewhat sanitized it. The pop-culture focus on it tends to be the lengths they go to in order to be together, or the families coming together at the end; but we tend to ignore that the couple is just trying to be together to bone, it’s full of dick jokes, and at the end they basically get cockblocked so hard that they die.
Actually, now that I think of it, Kenneth Branaugh is great and all, but I’d love to see a Seth Rogen adaptation of this one.
Totally agreed on all counts, especially the last bit.
It’s sort of a love story, but it’s obviously a tragic love story. I’m not sure I’d use the word “adorable” but it could certainly be touching, especially to a teen girl.
Bad punctuation on my part. The teen was adorable.
I think they meant the teen girl was adorable.
I’m a bit confused. Do the inuendos prevent it from being a love story? I always found it to be a tragic lovestory of two horny teenagers. I think hornyness is a common part of being in love.
It’s a tragedy about two teens in who know each other for 4 days, get married after 24 hours, and cause the deaths of 6 people.
The story opens with Romeo pining after a totally different young woman, which is why his friends take him to the party in the first place
Ultimately, it’s a warning about foolish love
I agree with most of this. I differ in that I think foolish love is a Natural and integral part of the age of the protagonists. The teenagers are not ať fault in my eyes. So to me, it seems more like a warning about foolish adults with the prime example being friar Laurence - seriously, wtf man, what were you thinking, you were supposed to know better!
Yeah, Romeo and Juliet is the story about how two naive but innocent kids ended up as the victims of their families’ senseless feuding.
It’s pretty fucked all around. It’s not just any two teens, but the children of two powerful families who are feuding for no reason. I think we can generalize it as a warning against foolishness in general. In the end, all of them were Fortune’s fool, not just Romeo.
It may not be a real love story, but Romeo and Juliet definitely go to bone town. And it was played by two men when Shakespeare wrote it.
That is a beautiful teacher
Republicans see no issue with banning Shakespeare and any other expression of art
Or knowledge. Keeping their constituents dumb and illiterate is the only way they can get votes.
The only book you need is the Bible and the only art is the CROSS. If you have time for entertainment you have time to work and if you’re a kid, go see your local pastor for “work”
– them, most likely
Republicans only care about Shakespeare, beethoven, and other such classical plays and music when they can use it as a dog whistle in order to imply an inherent criminality to Black Culture
And then they’ll turn around and ban all of the ones that don’t involve cross-dressing because in Shakespeare’s time the female parts were all played by men.
They’ve unintentionally banned the Bible in their regressionist book burning jihad, so probably.
The longer the Americans focus their attention to the culture war, the less likely they pay attention to economic issues.
Or an ongoing, exponentially worsening global climate catastrophe.
Same tactics the Tories are using in the UK now, their deputy chairman has even admitted their record is so poor, the culture war is all they have left.
Shame that it seems to be working…
it seems to be a lot more effective on the right wingers
Both sides demonize each other. Both sides pay the large part of their attention span to the culture war and hate each other for it.
US politics is 2 parties on paper, but in reality, it is a 1 party state with the purpose of dividing the common people by groups so that they are weak against the ruling class.
Only one party has to pull this shit to drag everyone down. You can’t just ignore dehumanization of LGBT people and continue to talk about the economy.
It reminds me a bit of comic book superheroes. The nature of Good means the hero needs to watch out for everyone, and prioritize protecting people and saving lives. If forced to choose between saving a bystander and the crippling the villain, they pick the bystander. On the other hand, Evil doesn’t give a shit. Villains aren’t usually bothered by morality or collateral, especially if the ends justify the means.
I know it’s a cartoonish viewpoint on the topic, but I think it’s applicable. We can’t ignore persecution of minorities, even when it’s very obviously an astroturfed cultural issue. Economic policy changes may help a greater number of people overall, but we can’t achieve that at the cost of the bystander in danger.
Ding ding ding!
This is the answer right here. Conservative politicians don’t give a shit about any of this but as per usual they found het another irrelevant issue that they can use to rile ou their constituents to ensure the sheep folk votes for them and against their own interests.
We need to start hammering them. The media clearly is unwilling or unable to do it. Every time one of those right-wing family value fuckers starts talking about this stuff yell some catchphrase at them like
“How about rent?” “What about the rising debt?” “Why isn’t insulin free?”.
I am going to start with my local ones.
Don’t forget the infrastructure failures either. You know… the train derailments, the collapsing bridges, the tens of thousands of people killed on our roads everyday. Point out that the right is waging a culture war at the expense of public safety. This is really fucking dangerous. Good luck as I am not sure much can be done because words have become meaningless.
Big hunk of my workload is for infrastructure. Doing my part every day I stagger into work.
For no reason whatsoever: If you are ever in Toronto ON, drink bottled water only.
and all the other issues
Economy is gone, look at the cumulated inflation over the last few years. And depleting Treasury.
The economy is great, if you’re a rich billionaire, according to Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-08-07/us-economy-is-strong-so-americans-should-stop-worrying-about-it
But the everyday person is struggling and Republicans aren’t going to do anything about that.
This is exactly why the 1st amendment is so important.
I drove through a tiny rural town, population 4300, in my province earlier this summer, which barely has enough people living there to support running a donut shop, let alone any sort of drag venue, and some idiot had signs at the end of his driveway saying “No more kids at drag shows!”. I mean, it’s literally the asshole of northern Ontario, a drag queen has never had a reason to go anywhere near there, he’s obviously never left the town in his life, let alone seen a drag queen in person, and yet he paid to put up signs on his driveway people will mostly ignore about a subject that has nothing to do with him. Conservativism really is like a brain fever or something. The things they believe are so exquisitely stupid.
Anyway, I love drag and want to marry Naomi Smalls, and I’m hopeful this psychotic legislation in the US all gets struck down.
He’s probably hoping for a protest against him with drag queens in attendance.
Probably so but the thing is most people wouldn’t even notice his signs, I just happened to look up as a passenger at the right second, and he lives on a rural highway with few neighbours. He wants attention but isn’t going to get it.
This feels so stupid. There are people out there that really want to ban such shows? It’s an art like any other. What’s next, ban street mimes? Make improv ilegal?
It’s part of the Republicans’ strategy to stir up trans panic and use it as a wedge issue. Drag is only tangentially connected to trans people but their voters don’t know that.
Men portrayed women for thousands of years until western societies began allowing female actors join their troupes.
In the UK, it’s still traditional for a bloke to play a female character comedicly in Pantomimes each Christmas.
Imagine even suggesting drag be banned in the UK. Even the church would be saying, “what about Widow Twankey?!”
I mean, wankers like Lawrence Fox and Calvin Robinson are trying to push all this stuff in the UK, but it doesn’t seem to be picking up as much steam as in the US.
*reads up on Fox *
What an asshole! Hilarious though that he ran for mayor and, in spite of having the name recognition of being an actor from a prominent family, he didn’t even get enough votes for his deposit to be refunded 🤣
Now that women can play women, we don’t need that anymore.
I mean they’re already implementing what is next: Making it illegal to look/be trans in public
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What’s next, ban street mimes?
I might be in favor of that one…
Who is banning such shows? Nay, why, let’s all make lap dances and pole dancing available to kids in school. /s
Lap dances and pole dancing are not the same as a drag show, but while we are on the topic. You cool with me whipping Jesus in public, then nailing him to a fake cross with fake blood running down his face?
The topic was first amendment. Stay in context. Either acknowledge that it’s not a good argument, or accept that they are “the same as drag show” within that context.
Not even sure what the Jesus thing is about, but I suppose everything is being allowed under the pretext of first amendment so why not. It sounds like an enactment which is a - what did people call it - an “art form”.
Youre the one talking about lap dances dipshit
And you are the one talking about drag shows, and started verbal slurs “dipshit”.
bankimu
You’re such a dumbass lmao.
Not ban, just make sure if you have adult content only adults can attend. Simple as that
That is already the case.
They used to do drag shows in WW2 during downtime from killing Nazis and Japanese because there were only men in the enlisted.
Literally their own fathers and grandfathers loved drag.
There’s a fantastic picture out there of British troops manning a gun emplacement in dresses as the alert went up during their show.
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They used to do drag shows in WW2 during downtime from killing Nazis
You’re not trying to get republicans on board like that, are you?
Imagine getting your knickers in a knot over a creative performance no one is forcing you to attend and is harming no one. I’d love a drag queen reading me the Little Engine that Could or whatever (not a child, dont have a child, don’t know kids books these days)
I know of a judge who would be happy to disagree… once he’s back from his 5th vacation trip this month.
You mean happy to agree, happy to disagree. Depends on who is paying for the vacation this month.
Well since his friend the nazi billionaire is the one always picking up the tap…
Oh I’m sure he’s far from the only one to bribe Clarence Thomas.
Maybe, but even if so, the Venn diagram of the kind of person who’d want to have anything to do with him and the kind of person who thinks minorities should have rights is just two circles.
You would essential have to outlaw all acting.
Hmm… better outlaw dancing while we’re at it.
Hey, wait! I remember that one!
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The hell is this? Footloose?
And MTV … no more music videos. Oops, already done
Maybe they can pay for Rudy Giuliani to go down there and testify about that time he dressed up in drag and got motorboated by Donald Trump. Rudy’s low on cash right now, I bet he would do it.
Do you have a link? xD
Ordinarily I’d say no shit. But with Clarence getting a free ride…
A classic 1st amendment case for inspiration. https://youtu.be/oNsdMFCXH9M (video)
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I find the whole concept of drag queen story hour confusing. Drag is this kind of specific performance art that seems like it is custom tailored for stage performance, so doing drag queen story hour seems as random as doing “the cast of the broadway musical cats!” story hour or something like that. What’s the idea behind putting drag queens + story hour together at all?
It teaches children about acceptance and that they can be anything they want. Some children find it a calming environment to learn social skills because of dress up
Well, it started with libraries not having people volunteering to read to kids. And then adults who did read to kids wanted to make it fun and engaging for them, so they began dressing up in fantasy outfits and effectively cosplay. And then the gay community heard of it and likely just naturally fell into it. Some gay people grt very very excited about dressing up, doing theatrics, and drag.
Really?? Huh, well there you go. I’ll switch my status from ‘indifference’ to ‘supporting.’ No one ever took me to the library to have books read to me.
That’s really sad. I have treasured memories of going to the library and having one of the librarians read a picture book. I took my daughter to the library for the same reason when she was little.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to libraries these days, by the way. My wife is a library administrator. This town has less than 80,000 people, but the library has three 3D printers 100% free for use, take-home kits of things like a ukulele with an instruction book, an HTC Vive and a PS5 for teens to play with any time they want, and they’re building a new branch that includes a room (one person at a time with a lockable door) with a free washer/dryer and a shower!
Support your local library. Go there. Have fun. Buy something at the book sale to throw them a few bucks.
Our library is awesome in that way too. They have 3d printers as well, and they invest a lot in online resources as also. LinkedIn learning, Rosetta stone, O’Reilly’s entire learning catalog, and a ton more, all free with a library card. AND they have a lot of good services for the homeless as well. I actually sent my city councilwoman a letter asking to increase funding to the library.
Awesome! That’s great of you to do that!
I might just do that.
Great! I hope your library is at least as good as ours.
Ours is arguably too good about being online. I haven’t been there since before COViD, but read library books on my Kindle all the time
Yep. Libraries have ebooks for free. And audiobooks. My wife hasn’t paid for either in years. I only have once because there was no other way to get a specific BBC radio drama I wanted.
Some libraries even have streaming movies!
That’s pretty interesting! Do you know of any good articles that trace the history going that far back? Seems like it would be a good read.
I find the comparison to clowns quite helpful, as they fill a weirdly similar niche – in most cases a performance art with clearly defined tropes, based on exaggerated makeup, carefully choreographed routines, while retaining an ability to improvise with a crowd, and of course some people have an irrational fear of them. From that perspective, it makes perfect sense to have them do the reading for kids. The makeup turns them into a cartoon character that kids find exciting; the practice with improv means children, who aren’t always the best listeners, can be managed without harshing the vibe; and their general stage experience and presence helps them retain that tough crowd to get them to listen to the story.
I can definitely see it. When I read to my kids when they were little, I’d at least do the voices and sound effects. However I would never do that in front of people I don’t know, let alone an audience. But I can see putting on a persona would help me drop that inhibition. Maybe that persona is represented by a funny hat or vest or glasses or something, or I can see drag being similar
Yeah that’s where I fall as well. I’m not inherently opposed to it, it just seems like a wierd thing to exist.
Apparently 10 people think we’re
transphobicwrong word, uh… dragphobic? for having this opinion too.I think both drag performers and Broadway actors have the perfect skill set for reading books to kids. It’s like the difference between reading the lyrics to a song and hearing a musician sing it, regardless of whether they’re a country singer or an opera singer or a movie music composer. An actor, whether Broadway or not, would know exactly when to pause to create dramatic tension, be able to give characters their own unique voices or personalities, etc. And the fantastical, exaggerated costumes of drag I imagine just make it all the more exciting for the kids.
As for how drag performers reading books to kids started, I have no idea, but somebody else said it started from people volunteering to read books to kids at local libraries, and the LGBT community got into helping out in that way, which led to drag performers doing it. And that makes sense to me. The LGBT community seems to be heavily made up of people who want to support their communities. Probably because they’ve often had to band together and create their own.
Yeah another commenter explained that to me so it makes sense now.
